[Tlhingan-hol] Significance of constructed languages

[qunnoQ HoD]

> Technically, you COULD use {-ghach} on a bare verb, but you’d really only
do it as a joke or some other intentionally ungrammatical construction, to
call attention to the word in some oddly special way. Nobody does it in
normal conversation. It ain’t no citified way to speak proper Klingon.

ok, I understand. thank you.

and now I will try to translate the Klingon sentences, that I failed
yesterday to translate. the idea came to me,that since klingon is written
backwards (OVS),then to translate it I have to go/think in the same
opposite direction. (I don't know if this makes sense). anyway the
translation came out as follows.

> yIHon'eghQo'
don't doubt yourself


> DIp DachenmoH 'e' DaHechchugh, {-bogh} yIlIjQo'
don't forget the {-bogh},if you intend to mean that the noun is constructed


> qechlIj vIyajchu' 'ach qechvam 'oSbe' mu'tlheghlIj.
i undestand your idea clearly,nevertheless your sentence does not represent
this idea


> nuqDaq nuqem?
where do they bring us ?


> {nughomchoHmoH} qoj {nuyIrchoHmoH} 'e' DaHechba'.
did you intend <<they make us meet>> or <<they make us gather>> ?


> mu'tlheghmey naQ bIHbe'. Dach wot'a'.
the whole sentences are not. the verb is absent however


> ngIq Hol chenmoHlu'bogh
each language which they created


> HIja'. majQa'. pab qellu'DI' loQ bIQagh 'ach qechmeylIj vIyajchu'.
yes. well done. although you slightly you mistook the grammar i understood
them perfectly.


On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com>
wrote:

> {-ghach} turns a verb into a noun, but it is considered very strange to
> apply it to a bare verb. Okrand invented it in order to come up with the
> word {naDHa’ghach} = “discommendation”. It relies on a suffix, apparently,
> to color the nature of the noun formed. So, {valtaHghach} is “cleverness”,
> but it relates to ongoing, consistent cleverness, and not simply a briefly
> clever act. {valta’ghach} has more to do with the intentional and
> successful cleverness. {valqa’ghach} would relate to repeated episodes of
> cleverness, without implying that the person or people showed continuous
> cleverness between the episodes. So, with {-ghach} there are areas of
> subtlety in a Klingon term that would be awkward and wordy to explain in
> translation.
>
> Technically, you COULD use {-ghach} on a bare verb, but you’d really only
> do it as a joke or some other intentionally ungrammatical construction, to
> call attention to the word in some oddly special way. Nobody does it in
> normal conversation. It ain’t no citified way to speak proper Klingon.
>
> pItlh
> lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
>
>
>
> On Nov 1, 2015, at 2:27 PM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > {Holmey lumutlhlu'bogh} = "languages which are constructed".
>
> that is what i wanted to say ! at first I tried to write <<constructed
> languages>>,but i couldn't find the exact words. then I thought of saying
> <<languages linguists constructed>> but this went south too. so finally I
> decided to try and write <<languages which are constructed>>
>
> just a question on {-ghach} because I didn't quite understand its use. is
> {-ghach} only to be glued at verbs ending in suffixes as {-be'}, {Ha'} etc,
> or can I put it too on verbs such as {Hurgh} ? So as to mean {Hurghghach} =
> Darkness ?
>
> ok, the time has come to confess my sin..
>
> when I try to write in Klingon,I start trying to build a sentence and
> slowly I manage to get somewhere. the sentence maybe wrong, but my mind can
> process the way things ought to be. I think of the verb,then who does what
> to whom, glue the prefix, put the object first, the subject last etc..
>
> but when I try to translate from klingon to english it feels as if my mind
> is being tied into a knot. it feels as if I'm driving in reverse going up a
> mountain at night.. I'm used to sentences subject-verb-object,and when i
> try to read in the opposite order it just feels so weird !
>
> unfortunately -for the time being- i can't translate from klingon to
> english. i believe its way too premature for me unless the sentences are
> very simple.
>
> thank you very much for your comments !
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 8:29 PM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> qunnoQ HoD:
>> >> vInDa'pu' pIm. HatlhmeyDaq pIm. Hatlhmeyvo' pIm. nughmeyvo' pIm.
>>
>> De'vID:
>> > mu'tlheghmey naQ bIHbe'. Dach wot'a'.
>>
>> Note also that {Hatlh} refers to the "country" in the sense of
>> "countryside". The political sense of a "country" or "state" is {Sep}.
>>
>> --
>> De'vID
>>
>
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