[Tlhingan-hol] no' Hol & Paramount Hol in Bing

[Robyn Stewart]

I understand the desire to exclude them, but there are people out there for
whom the only Klingon they know is what was on the episodes. I don't want
them to put what they know into the Bing translator and get nothing. That's
not the way to lead them to the light.  Even if the phrases haven't been
individually canonized, the conceit in KGT that the ones that are mentioned
are famous lines from old operas makes it clear that we're supposed to run
with it. I'm perfectly happy accepting these phrases as meaning what they
say it means but only as a fossilized expression that may be no' Hol or a
phrase taken whole from a foreign language. 

 

And you have to love "I am theragen dare" and "I am mother you are honour."

 

I can even follow the logic on "wIj Doq". They look up "my" and "blood" and
get wIj 'Iw. They don't want their actors saying "we jew" or "wedge eew"  so
they look for something else and settle on "red".

 

- Qov

 

From: Felix Malmenbeck [mailto:felixm at kth.se] 
Sent: March 5, 2015 20:15
To: ghunchu'wI'; Klingon language email discussion forum
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] no' Hol & Paramount Hol in Bing

 

Fortunately, I don't believe <qab jIH ngIl> and <SoS jIH batlh SoH> have
ever been canonized, so there's no need to add/keepthem at all.

Is <jIH Doq> canon? I know it's from TNG, but I can't recall it being
mentioned in any works by Okrand.

It might be worth adding <taH pagh taHbe'> as "To be or not to be", since
that "translation" only makes sense as a fixed phrase.

  _____  

From: ghunchu'wI' <qunchuy at alcaco.net>
Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 4:39:44 AM
To: Klingon language email discussion forum
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] no' Hol & Paramount Hol in Bing 

 

On Mar 5, 2015, at 8:11 PM, "Robyn Stewart" <robyn at flyingstart.ca> wrote:

 

... there exist several fixed expressions that probably SHOULD be in the
lexicon.  The Bing team has a way to mark these as non-productive, like
English "lest we forget" and "if it ain't broke don't fix it." Help me
compile a list of such expressions. 

 

Qab jIH ngIl ("quab jee nageel") "face me if you dare" from the SonchIy
ritual [TNG "Reunion"]

 

SoS jIH batlh SoH ("so's jee bat-leth so") "Mother, I honor you" from the
ruStay [TNG "The Bonding"]

 

 

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