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[lojmIt tI'wI' nuv]

I'm more than a little certain that TKD explains that while we may translate Sentence As Object into one sentence in English, in Klingon, the two sentences are separate. A conjunction makes the two sentences one. They are no longer separate. 

You seem to have great confidence in my error. 

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lojmIt tI'wI' nuv

> On Dec 31, 2015, at 12:51 AM, Rohan Fenwick <qeslagh at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ghItlhpu' lojmIt tI'wI' nuv, jatlh:
> > In English, we sometimes start a sentence with "But", but so far
> > as we know, in Klingon, "but" is always a conjunction combining
> > two sentences to form one longer sentence, and in Klingon you
> > can't have a Sentence As Object construction with {'e'} referring
> > back to a conjoined sentence.
> 
> The way you phrase this last part implies a certainty about this prohibition that I'm pretty sure we don't have.
> 
> taH:
> > The {'e'} refers to the preceding sentence, not the first half of the
> > current sentence.
> 
> Because syntactically {'e'} is identified as a pronoun in TKD (sections 5.1, 6.2.5), I don't see why there's any reason it can't reach across the "conjunction gap", if you like, to make reference to something in the previous clause (which is itself also formally a sentence; see TKD 6.2.5, where it says that the conjoined parts must be well-formed sentences). We know that other pronouns are quite capable of reaching across a conjunction for their anaphoric reference:
> 
> pa' ghomta' SuvwI' 'ej pa' loS chaH
> "the warriors had assembled there and they [the warriors] were waiting there" (paq'batlh: paq'raD 14.3)
> 
> so since {'e'} is also said to be a pronoun, I wouldn't say that there's any formal reason why it couldn't do the same thing, simply taking the entire sentence as the basis for its anaphora rather than one of its arguments:
> 
> pa' ghomta' SuvwI' 'ej 'e' vIlegh
> "the warriors had assembled there and I saw that [the warriors had assembled there]"
> 
> Just because two sentences are joined with a conjunction to make one larger sentence doesn't mean that the two conjoined clauses are not themselves also sentences.
> 
> QeS 'utlh
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