[Tlhingan-hol] KLBC: moHaq mojaq DuHmey

[André Müller]

Also don't forget that if you have a relative clause with two overt
elements (subject and object represented by nouns or pronouns), you need to
mark the head of the relative clause (the one that is being relativized
over) with {-'e'}, e.g.:

{QeD bopbogh ghItlhmey'e'} (vIlaD) = (I read) 'the manuscripts that deal
with science'
{QeD'e' bopbogh ghItlhmey} (vIHaD) = (I study) 'the science that the
manuscripts deal with'

This rule is often forgotten, unfortunately. Also by Okrand.

- André

2015-12-09 20:27 GMT+01:00 Bellerophon, modeler <
bellerophon.modeler at gmail.com>:

> SuStel wrote:
> > According to TKD 6.2.5 you can't put a type 7 suffix on the second verb
> of a sentence-as-object construction. Okrand has violated this rule a
> couple of times.
>
> I had never noticed this sentence in TKD. You're also helpfully, if
> indirectly, pointing out my bad habit of overusing sentence-as-object. It
> mimics my English phrasing and I have to stop it.
>
> Instead of *QeD bopboghghItlhmey vIqon qen 'e' vInID, I could have written
> <QeD bopbogh ghItlhmey vIqon qen 'e' vInID> or more simply <qen QeD bopbogh
> ghItlhmey vIqonlI'> if I'm not satisfied that I finished them.
>
> The second sentence, *mu'mey vIchenmoHmeH <-ghach> vIlo'nIS SIbI' 'e'
> vI'tu'pu', could simply be mu'mey vIchenmoHmeH, SIbI' <-ghach> vIlo'nISbej.
> <-bej> isn't necessary but it clarifies that it's very certain to me,
> having observed it for myself. It also makes {'e' vItu'} unnecessary.
>
> SuStel also wrote:
> > A mistake that most people make when starting out is thinking they're
> conjunctions. They're pronouns, and they're always the object of the second
> sentence.
>
> Well put. A couple years ago, if someone had asked me what {'e'} was, I'd
> have answered pronoun, like it says in TKD. Nevertheless, I was treating it
> as a conjunction.
>
> ~'eD
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