[Tlhingan-hol] KLBC: moHaq mojaq DuHmey

[nIqolay Q]

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:38 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:

> On 12/8/2015 12:29 PM, John R. Harness wrote:
>
> This is what I don't know for sure: Can a verb that becomes a noun with
>> {-ghach} or {-wI'} have a prefix still on it? In other words, are these
>> legal/how would you translate them?
>>
>> -{*choSuvHa'ghach} - (Your mis-fighting of me?)
>> -{*HIDevwI'} .... ? You, one who leads me?
>>
>
> This is a very old question, and to my knowledge Okrand has never said no
> and has never used such a formation.
>
> I feel fairly confident that these are not allowed. Although Klingon does
> not have an infinitive, I believe verbs with these type 9 suffixes must
> effectively be infinitive in order to use them. That is, they cannot refer
> to any subject, even an unspecified one as in {-lu'}.
>


>From an old issue of HolQeD:

HQ: Let's carry this to the next extreme. Can you have prefixes on words
    that use {-ghach}?

MO: My initial reaction is that this needs more study. That is, just as
    bare stem + {-ghach} is okay, but weird, prefix + verb (with or
    without a suffix) + {-ghach} is even weirder. But not unheard of, and
    the semantic feel, say with {legh}, would be something like <*I-/you-
    seeing>, or a <sighting of you by me> as a single concept. I suppose you
    could say that, and people would understand it, but it's weird. An I-
    seeing-you happened. I can imagine someone saying that in English,
    and you'd look up and say "huh?" but know exactly what was
    meant. It's following the rules, but it's following them into a place
    they don't normally go.

http://klingonska.org/canon/1994-09-holqed-03-3-a.txt
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