[Tlhingan-hol] KLBC: Multiple Sources for Grammar

John R. Harness cartweel at gmail.com
Tue Dec 8 08:09:25 PST 2015


Hi everyone,

I just want to amplify for beginners something that QeS brought up: Though
The Klingon Dictionary (TKD) is the required starting point for study of
tlhIngan Hol, there are many sources where the grammar is extended,
refined, and debated. Please see below.

'arHa



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> From: Rohan Fenwick <qeslagh at hotmail.com>
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> ghItlhpu' lojmIt tI'wI' nuv, jatlh:
> > It might not be a good idea to assume that if boQwI? tells
> > you about grammar that no other source gives you for you
> > to assume that it is correct.
>
> While this is a good general piece of advice about many sources, the
> boQwI' app is the brainchild of the KLI's own De'vID and is amply
> referenced throughout. I think it's pretty trustworthy.
>
> In this instance, qunnoQ's reference to {A X law'be' B X puSbe'} and {A X
> law' B X law'} constructions will be talking about the extensions to the
> comparative construction that we were given in HolQeD 13:1. Not so sure
> about the {-Daq} bit.
>
> ghItlhpu' qunnoQ, jatlh:
> > jIDo'mo',pabvam vIlegh 'ach tu'be'laHba' latlh taghwI'}
> > <because I was lucky I saw this grammar,however another
> > beginner may obviously miss it>
>
> TKD was last updated in 1992, remember. We've learned much about the
> language in the intervening 23 years. Yes, it is true that there are
> several grammatical points not covered in TKD, but until an "updated
> edition" or a new and more comprehensive grammar is published, the only
> option in the meantime is to get yourself familiarised with the broader
> range of canon, including HolQeD articles and the messages Marc used to
> post to the MSN newsgroup, which often clarify or elaborate on points
> already made in TKD.
>
> Many back issues of HolQeD are unavailable, unfortunately, but maHvatlh
> keeps an excellent, searchable database of canon sources on his website:
> http://www.klingonska.org/canon/ This is particularly useful for
> hard-to-find HolQeD articles written by Marc, and also the MSN newsgroup
> messages, which are an often underused but extremely important source of
> clarification to many points of grammar.
>
> QeS 'utlh
>
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