[Tlhingan-hol] pab ngaSbe'lu'

[mayql qunenoS]

> Many back issues of HolQeD are unavailable, unfortunately, but
> maHvatlh keeps an excellent, searchable database of canon sources
> on his website: http://www.klingonska.org/canon/ This is
> particularly useful for hard-to-find HolQeD articles written by
> Marc, and also the MSN newsgroup messages, which are an often
> underused but extremely important source of clarification to many
> points of grammar.

maj.

> there's a danger here that you might be making mistakes which are
> not significant enough to impact others' grasp of your intended
> meaning, but which you are reinforcing because you're not getting
> the same feedback on that you'd get if you were writing in
> English.

bIlugh ! pIj DuHvam jIvIp je.

> Consider {mu'tlheghmeyvam vImughmeH DIvI' Hol vIlo'} or something
> like that.

maj

> Word order: {pab'e' ngaSbe'bogh TKD} for "grammar which TKD does not contain"

{pab'e' ngaSbe'bogh TKD Del boQwI' 'e' vItu'} pagh {pab'e' ngaSbe'bogh
TKD pab Del boQwI' 'e' vItu'} ?

> I don't understand what it means to "feed" grammar to the KLI. The KLI
> is not an animal or creature.

<enrich> vIHechmeH, {je'} vIlo'.

> It's the casual Klingonist who has no access to back
> issues of HolQeD who can't find out what has been amended or clarified
> since TKD, etc.

lot 'oH ! tI'nISlu'bej !

> (Although, I think many people, even experienced speakers, use {-laH}
> for this meaning because "can" has both senses in English.)
> Try {chaq} instead.

maj

qun HoD

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:55 AM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin at gmail.com> wrote:
> qun HoD:
>> DaH, mu'tlheghmeyvam DIvI' Hol vIchenmoH :
>> <now,I make these sentences DIvI' Hol>
>
> While it's commendable that you're trying to use only Klingon on this
> mailing list, there's a danger here that you might be making mistakes
> which are not significant enough to impact others' grasp of your
> intended meaning, but which you are reinforcing because you're not
> getting the same feedback on that you'd get if you were writing in
> English.
>
> I understood that you intend to say that you are about to translate
> the sentences into English. But {DaH mu'tlheghmey DIvI' Hol vIchenmoH}
> doesn't mean "now I make these sentences (into) English", it means
> "now I create these sentences' English" or "now I create the English
> of these sentences". Everyone will still understand you, but it's an
> odd phrasing for what you want to say.
>
> Consider {mu'tlheghmeyvam vImughmeH DIvI' Hol vIlo'} or something like that.
>
> qun HoD:
>> {ngaSbe'bogh /tlhHm/,pab'e' Del boQwI' 'e' vItu'} <I found that boQwI'
>> describes grammar which TKD does not contain>
>
> Word order: {pab'e' ngaSbe'bogh TKD} for "grammar which TKD does not contain"
>
> qun HoD:
>> {ghantoHmey : {...lawbe'...puSbe'},{...law...law},{-Daq} QInHommey..}}
>> <examples : {...lawbe'...puSbe'},{...law...law},{-Daq} comments>
>
> maj.
>
> qun HoD:
>> {chaq,pabvam /tlhHy'/ boje' 'oH qech QaQ} <perhaps it is a good idea
>> to feed this grammar to KLI>
>
> I don't understand what it means to "feed" grammar to the KLI. The KLI
> is not an animal or creature.
>
> In fact, since some of the post-TKD grammar is found in HolQeD, which
> is published by the KLI, the KLI is in possession of the canon sources
> of such grammar. It's the casual Klingonist who has no access to back
> issues of HolQeD who can't find out what has been amended or clarified
> since TKD, etc.
>
> qun HoD:
>> {jIDo'mo',pabvam vIlegh 'ach tu'be'laHba' latlh taghwI'} <because I
>> was lucky I saw this grammar,however another beginner may obviously
>> miss it>
>
> For this sense of "can" ("there is a possibility that..."), it's not
> really appropriate to use {-laH}, which signifies ability ("is able
> to..."). Obviously, a beginner *is able to* miss seeing the new
> grammar, but that's not what you mean.
>
> (Although, I think many people, even experienced speakers, use {-laH}
> for this meaning because "can" has both senses in English.)
>
> Try {chaq} instead.
>
> --
> De'vID
>
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