[Tlhingan-hol] Religious terminology

[qunnoQ HoD]

> If you can't even read what I wrote last time, how can you possibly expect to WRITE anything in Klingon?

I expect to write something in Klingon,because I can take an english
sentence,break it down to simpler sentences and then apply the
appropriate grammar. What you and other senior members are writing,are
sentences in a language I haven't learned,sentences containing words
many of them consisting of a number of suffixes glued together, let
alone that often the sentences are compound.
When I try to translate an english sentence,I can break it down so
that it becomes a simple OVS matter. When you (I'm not referring to
you personally) are writting, you are actually making the choice for
the reader,as far as the complexity of what you're writing is
concerned. As I wrote,you aren't realizing that your grammar isn't
meant for a beginner to understand. You can't realize it and that's
fine. Maybe I cannot realize too,that femoroacetabular impingement
isn't a concept meant for a first year med student to understand. But
then,I would take into account that for me to understand it,6 years of
med school plus 6 years of residency were required. So I would not
expect someone to keep up with me,in a skill it took me 12 years to
develop.
When one starts driving,he isn't expected to understand everything his
teacher is doing,before he takes the wheel. He learns the basics,then
starts driving on an empty street with 20 km/h on the right side,and
gradually he develops his skills.

Anyway,as I wrote earlier,everyone eventually develops his individual
way of learning.

qun HoD

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 8:58 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 12/2/2015 1:32 PM, qunnoQ HoD wrote:
>>
>> And this gives me the opportunity to discuss something you (and almost
>> every other senior member here), do not realize. The way you write is
>> way too complex for a beginner to understand. You don't realize
>> this,because you can write fluently and this all seems easy to you. It
>> is understandable ; But no beginner could follow up with your level.
>> So,you cannot expect someone to be able to keep up with you,conversing
>> freely so that then,and only then he will be "deemed worthy" to start
>> translating anything.
>
>
> It's not about being worthy to do something. The best way to learn is to
> work in the following order:
>
> 1. Be able to read what others post. If you can't even read what I
>    wrote last time, how can you possibly expect to WRITE anything in
>    Klingon?
>
> 2. Be able to express your own thoughts in Klingon. Don't translate;
>    just use the language yourself. If you can't say what YOU think, how
>    can you say what OTHERS think?
>
> 3. Translate. Translation is the hardest thing you can do with a
>    language you're learning. It's one thing to challenge yourself, but
>    if you can't do the above two steps first then it's not a matter of
>    them being too easy, is it?
>
> I learned Klingon by reading what others wrote. This was in the '90s and I
> was on a college campus; I printed messages and painstakingly translated
> everything word for word. When I felt I was able, I posted some simple
> sentences about things I wanted to say.
>
> What I just posted previously was not Dick-and-Jane stuff, but neither was
> it particularly advanced. I know exactly what level I wrote at. I'm not
> expecting beginners to debate me in Klingon. Just READ it!
>
> If you REALLY want to translate, by all means go ahead. Ignore anyone who
> says you're doing something wrong. But be aware that what you're doing is
> jumping into the deep end of the pool without first learning how to swim.
>
>
> --
> SuStel
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