[Tlhingan-hol] Verbing objects

[Felix Malmenbeck]

> It makes sense to me. {ghov} isn't glossed as "recognize a countenance,"
> it's just "recognize." I see no reason you can't recognize {'e'} "that" 
> as well as you can recognize {qamlIj} or {qablIj}.

I think you can recognize a statement, but to me the sentence «'e' vIghov.» suggests "I've heard/read/experienced that before", whereas when one says one recognizes a statement or fact in English, it usually means that one is accepting, realizing or acknowledging it, regardless of previous experience.
(I agree with you, by the way, that «maQoch 'e' wIlaj.» is a very good alternative.)

For example, taking the sentences

(1) "Einstein recognized Heisenberg's face."

and

(2) "Einstein was the first to recognize that time was relative."

I feel that the word "recognize" refers to two very separate concepts in these two sentences, and it would be a real stroke of luck if Klingon, like English, uses the same word for them.

There is also another sense of the word:

(3) "The High Council has moved to recognize the new government of Krios Prime."

I could see «laj» being used for both (2) and (3), but I'd only use «ghov» for (1).

> 28 mar 2014 kl. 14:17 skrev "SuStel" <sustel at trimboli.name>:
> 
> From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm at kth.se>
>> For example, I'm not too crazy about using {ghov} with a sentence as
>> an object. The only canonical example of {ghov} (that I know of) is
>> {qamlIj vIghov.} from KGT, meaning "I recognize your foot." (though
>> it's probably meant to mean "I recognize your face.", spoken in the
>> Krotmag dialect).  Does it make sense that the same verb that's used
>> to say you recognize something by its countenance would be used to say
>> you recognize the truth of a statement? To some, I'm sure, but to me
>> that's very strange.
> 
> It makes sense to me. {ghov} isn't glossed as "recognize a countenance,"
> it's just "recognize." I see no reason you can't recognize {'e'} "that" 
> as well as you can recognize {qamlIj} or {qablIj}.
> 
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