[Tlhingan-hol] 'arDaq

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"It's logical that it would be a word, since {'arlogh} is a word, and since {'ar} is the question word replaced by a number, and {-logh} is a number suffix, that since {-DIch} is a number suffix, you could put it on {'ar}, too, but that's an assumption that has not been backed up by either use in canon or grammatical discussion or description by Marc Okrand."

Maybe it's not a word because of the irregularity you pointed out.

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Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] 'arDaq

The point that has been made that you seem to have missed is that *{'arDIch} is apparently not a word.


It's logical that it would be a word, since {'arlogh} is a word, and since {'ar} is the question word replaced by a number, and {-logh} is a number suffix, that since {-DIch} is a number suffix, you could put it on {'ar}, too, but that's an assumption that has not been backed up by either use in canon or grammatical discussion or description by Marc Okrand.


So, the word *{'arDIch} is not a word, and discussing it further is futile.


The only use of {-DIch} that is valid is applying it to a number to be functionally equivalent of what happens in English when you add "th" to "5" to make "5th".


On Jun 17, 2014, at 4:16 PM, Brad Wilson <bmacliam at aol.com> wrote:


>>>If I ask, "Which door do you choose?", it's still simple {lojmIt 'arDIch DawIv?} You answer "I choose the third door." {lojmIt wejDIch vIwIv.}<<< If {'arDIch} really means "which" in the sense of "one of a choice of options", then I could answer with {lojmItvatlh vIwIv} (pointing to my selection) or {lojmIt SuD vIwIv} and not use {-DIch} at all.The question I was asking earlier:>>>Is there are requirement that if the question uses {'arDIch} that the answer must use {number-DIch}?It would seem that {-DIch} is a "sequential" marker that identifies its headword 
either by appearance to the speaker, or importance, or by some other criterion.<<<All uses of {-DIch} that I'm aware of seem to be that of "ordinalizing" a number, i.e. ordering either in space or time.In English, the word "which" can have an ordinal sense to it:... "the position in a sequence of doors in front of me" or "the appearance of doors over time (say, walking down a hall)".But "which" can also mean "a choice from a selection without regard to order".My question is, without further clarification from MO, can we say that {'arDIch} also has this broader meaning of "one of a choice, order notwithstanding"?gheyIl_______________________________________________
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