[Tlhingan-hol] how to show entries without canon English definitions in word lists?

[André Müller]

I do something very similar to Voragh. I keep my dictionary in LexiquePro
which is searchable in both directions (plus part of speech and even a
possible search from the end, which is useful for finding rhymes or words
with suffixes!). Okrandian definitions and also direct translations from
English glosses I just put in as "official" definitions, but unclear
translations or synonyms I put there myself I mark with an asterisk after
them. So for the entry {mach} I have the following gloss:

small, be; little, be*

One might perhaps argue that there is a difference between "small" and
"little" in English, but when looking up words, it's very handy to find
them in the dictionary even if I don't know the exact English word Marc was
using as the gloss. But I always mark them. Here are some more examples
(the real entries contain more data, e.g. source, part of speech, example
sentences, notes on usage, notes on grammar, sometimes pictures...

{mab} (n.) = treaty; contract*
{Sung} (n.) = native; inhabitant*; citizen*; local*; people*; person*
{jentu'} (n.) = bird, type of; penguin*
{lughbe'} (vi.) = wrong, be; incorrect, be*; mistaken, be*

Of course, a treaty isn't the same as a contract. But at least I will find
this word as a near-synonym when I want to talk about a contract. I found
this very handy. Sometimes looking for an English word several options show
up. I then can compare their canonical glosses and find the most suitable
hit. My entry for {rop'a'} only contained plague, but I just added
epidemic* as a possible non-canon translation, when I read Voragh's
addition.

For words completely without canonical definitions, all the glosses have
asterisks, e.g.:

{'aplo'} (n.) = container*; box*; case*; enclosure*
{qoSta'} (n.) = strip*; tape*; band*

- André


2014-12-22 16:42 GMT+01:00 Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu>:

> De'vID:
> > In the spirit of that last discussion about slang, how should entries
> where the
> > English definition isn't canon, but the Klingon word comes from Okrand,
> be shown
> > in word lists? ... However, there are a few where we've had to infer
> their meanings
> > from their usage. For example, many of the new words revealed in Klingon
> Monopoly
> > fall into this category. ....
> > And what about constructs like {rop'a'} "plague", do you have a separate
> entry for
> > it, or do you consider it an obvious derivate of {rop}?
> > For those of you keeping word lists, do you just give your own English
> definitions
> > of these words? Is it marked somehow?
>
> I mark them by using different fonts (i.e. italics) and question marks,
> followed by the relevant citation.  E.g. here are my entries for {rop} and
> {rop'a'}:
>
>   {rop}  be sick, be ill (v)
>    (cf. {pIvHa'} be unhealthy, {ngej} infect, {'oy'} "ache, hurt, be sore",
>    {'aw'} sting, {bech} suffer, {vul} be unconscious, {vulchoH} faint,
> {vor}
>    cure; ant. {pIv} be healthy; cf. {'uH} "have a hangover" & {wuQ} "have a
>    headache")
>     - {rop} He/she is sick. KLS
>     - {jIroplaw'} I feel sick. CK
>     - {ropchoHbe' tlhInganpu'} Klingons do not get sick. TKW
>     - {tlhIngan yoH pIv verengan yoH rop} The Klingon is braver than the
>        Ferengi (slang) KGT
>
>
>   {rop}  disease, sickness (n), *illness*, *syndrome* (esp. in Trek?)
>    (cf. {poq} indigestion, {pom} dysentery, {bep} agony & {'oy'} "ache,
>     pain"; cf. also *neHret* & *rop'ngor*)
>
>
>   {rop'a'}  plague (n.) (MKE), *epidemic*(?)
>    - {qarDaSQa'Daq ruDelya' rop'a' Hergh qengbogh yo' Dabot}
>      Intercept Rudellian plague relief convoy to Cardassian Union. (MKE)
>
> N.B. {bold} and *italics*.
>
> I think there's no doubt as to the meaning of {rop'a'} "plague" from the
> Monopoly (MKE) card, but I did add *epidemic* to my entry as an obvious
> extension/synonym and as an aid to searching in future.  The different
> fonts show me which translation is strictly canon and which isn't.  In this
> case there is a difference between a plague and an epidemic, but it doesn't
> really matter for our purposes (unless you're writing a medical text).
>
>
> --
> Voragh
> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
>
>
>
>
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