[Tlhingan-hol] Bottle Opening and Drinking, al-Amarjan Style

[lojmIt tI'wI' nuv]

I'm curious. After reading all of this, I'm tempted to think that {qung} is a hole in an object that is used for something, like filling a bottle or buttoning a shirt. {QemjIj} appears to be a shape that stands apart. 

You cover a hole on a flute with your finger, or cork the hole on a bottle, or cover a buttonhole with a button, but you fill a hole in the ground with dirt. 

So, I'm leaning toward Lieven's interpretation. A hole in the ground is not an opening to something else. It is a feature unto itself. To see a hole in the ground is to understand the whole of the hole. You can't understand the opening to a bottle or of a cave without understanding the bottle or the cave. A hole in the ground is not part of the ground the way that the opening of a bottle is part of the bottle. 

Just a suspicion, anyway...

lojmIt tI'wI'nuv

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> On Aug 20, 2014, at 11:59 AM, Lieven <levinius at gmx.de> wrote:
> 
> jaj 20.08.2014 16:44, ghItlh SuStel:
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> > The distinction seems to be that one side of a {QemjIq} does not have an outlet, while a {qung} is a penetration in a barrier between one side and another.
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> jaj 20.08.2014 17:27, ghItlh Steven Boozer:
> > So {qung} seems to focus on an opening *through something* while {QemjIq} focuses on an opening *into something (with a bottom)*, e.g. bottle, hole/pit in the ground, tree hollow, vat/keg, bowls, etc.
> 
> I would not count a bottle or vat into this. I believe SuStel's description is better. The opening of a bottle is technically spoken no difference to any hole in its surrounding surface.
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> If you have a hole in the ground, but there is a huge cave below, then that hole is a {qung} which you use to enter the cave. Even tough you may be able to "fill" that cave.
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> I wouldnt say a {QemjIq} is an opening "into" something. It's more like the "lack of" a perfect surface. When you take a spoon of pudding, you have created a {QemjIq}. The skin of the pudding (you know, that dry milk that some people do not like) is penetrated in that case, and will have a {qung}.
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