[Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: lurSa'

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In other examples where Okrand really wants us to do something different from the described grammar in TKD, like the rearrangement of word order around verbs with {-jaj}, Okrand has gone out of his way to append the known grammar with an explanation. This one? We have one canon example with no explanation, and as ghunchu'wI' pointed out, it breaks yet another grammatical rule by putting a Type 7 suffix on the second verb of Sentence As Object.

The gut-wrenching aspect of this observation, however, is that I always hated the restriction that you can't put Type 7 on the second verb of SAO, and think he only made up that rule because of an earlier error in canon where he subsequently thought he should have used a Type 7, so he made up the rule that you can't use a Type 7 there so it won't be such a glaring mistake.

This kind of Ex Post Facto grammatical rule-making consistently comes back to bite one.

These two points of grammar should be on someone's list to talk with Okrand about at the next qep'a' or other opportunity.

On Apr 18, 2014, at 3:27 AM, Lieven <levinius at gmx.de> wrote:

> ghel Qov:
>>> So ... when we put an adverb modifying the second sentence *before* 'e',
>>> it's ...
> 
> jang SuStel:
>> * ... because the rules in TKD say that adverbials (reH) come before
>> objects ('e'), and we don't know why this sole example breaks that rule.
> 
> I agree with TKD, and therefore do agree with SuStel.
> 
> As we have read somewhere else in a parallel discussion, it seems that most of us have better knowledge of Klingon Grammar than Okrand does. If he makes a mistake once in a while, I would not always take that as being a new rule, especially as it contradicts the existing rules. I would only accept that, when he definitely explains a new rule, like he did with toasts or dialects.
> 
> And besides of that, every langauge may have strange exceptions, or "bad" examples. Even the best teacher or professor I had had, did big mistakes in his lessons. Nobody is perfect.
> 
> tlhIngan Hol pab vIghoj reH 'e' vInID.
> 
> ja' SuStel:
> > I happen to believe that Marc fell into the common trap of thinking of
> > {'e'} as a conjunction rather than an object.
> 
> That seems very obvious to me. In my opinion.
> 
> -- 
> Lieven L. Litaer
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