[Tlhingan-hol] mIl'oD veDDIr SuvwI': 'ay' 15 - pop 'oH ghob'e'

[Robyn Stewart]

Then you'll make the reader think she's been kidnapped. Don't make it crazy. 

On 2013-01-08, at 21:55, Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <qeslagh at hotmail.com> wrote:

> jIjatlhpu':
> > qo' bel ghaH tIna'tIn'e', mIp'a' wellu'bogh ghaH.
> 
> mujang Qov, jatlh:
> > Tinatin was a pleasant world, She was a fortune owed.
> 
> jIH:
> > Hrm. I see how you got "a pleasant world". I'll 
> > change it to {qo'vaD bel} or {qo' bel'a'} (the 
> > English is "She is the joy of the world, she is
> > treasure and due").
> 
> Qov:
> > qo' bel'a' brings the meaning to me more 
> > directly. I don't understand the point of the 
> > 'due' or 'owed' aspect. Are you sure the word 
> > due in the original has the meaning of something
> > that must be paid?
> 
> jIH:
> > Yep. The Georgian is /vali/ "debt", from the same root as
> > /movalea/ "to owe". Nevertheless I'm a bit in two minds
> > about keeping it - it is pretty opaque.
> 
> jang Voragh, jatlh:
> > I like *{mIp'a'} here, but WRT debts we now have {qav'ap} "amount (of money), rent" from Monopoly:
> > voHDajbo' qav'ap
> > mortgage value MKE
> > {qav'ap} seems to be an amount of money owed for something, the most usualy form is rent or a fee of
> > some kind; it might be used for a payment on a dept or loan. However... using it to refer to a woman
> > probably sends the wrong message!  <g>
> 
> Very true! While {qav'ap wellu'bogh ghaH} would translate the Georgian well, the meaning would definitely be misunderstood here.
> 
> Actually, now you've got me wondering if "debt" might be a useful gloss for {qav'ap} more generally.
> 
> taH:
> > And while we're talking about vocabulary relating to debts, we also have {voHDajbo'} "ransom, mortgage":
> 
> Ooo, that I hadn't thought of. {voHDajbo''a' wellu'bogh qotlh} "she would deserve a great ransom owed"?
> 
> QeS
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