[Tlhingan-hol] Dothraki nugh vIghal

Tue Apr 9 08:13:17 PDT 2013

While I think a higher priority is an accessible website that shows that we
didn't all leave in the mid-nineties, if what some people need is accessible
fiction, damnit I can sure do that. How about a weekly Dinosaur Comics-style
(http://www.qwantz.com) comic strip?  I choose the  format chosen just
because I'm not a great artist and even cut and paste can be very time
consuming.

I could put it on bologh (http://bologh.blogspot.ca) until the KLI website
can host it.

I was also thinking of making a page where I gather links and review the
many online "How to speak Klingon" series, in preparation for seeing where
to start with something new. Lieven, for example would get high marks with a
comment about frequently failing to pronounce syllable-initial H, and
learners would be cautioned to pay little attention to the consonants from
Charlotte on Talk Now!

- Qov

-----Original Message-----
From: PICHLMANN Christoph [mailto:Christoph.PICHLMANN at agrana.com] 
Sent: April 9, 2013 3:52 AM
To: tlhingan-hol at stodi.digitalkingdom.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Dothraki nugh vIghal

>In my heretical opinion, I feel like Klingon stagnates because we're stuck
waiting on MO for new words and constructions. Obviously, he's >great, but
the lack of community involvement in its furtherment, as I see it, makes
growing the speaking base hard.

While I would appreciate more words, I think more easy-access uses of the
language would be more valuable.
I think we need more widely known "non-canon but correct" uses of the
language - like the videos Teresh created, or perhaps the story in the old
pojwI' program.

Maybe my view is merely ignorant, but I would have a hard time to list a
worthwile number of klingon fiction that is accessible to beginners who may
not know more than a few basic words.

Translating Hamlet is cool and all, but it's rather useless for beginners
(like me) - if I have to look up every second word in a sentence, I'm not
going to enjoy reading the text. Or continue doing so, for that matter.

If klingon looks as if it stagnates, it's because there too few items using
it. There are some monumental beacons, like the Shakespeare translations, or
the EuroTalk program.
But even so, how accessible are they? Few would read Hamlet in english -
fewer still would read it in klingon, or be able to.
The EuroTalk program might be more accessible on principle - but who will
actually pay money for it, unless they're already into klingon?

The occassional fun product, like klingon monopoly, comes up as well - but I
doubt there are many outside of this list who even know about it - it's too
specialized (board game, klingon, Star Trek, etc...) to be of much interest
to anyone else.

So, while I don't think klingon needs a TV show, I do think it needs some
sort of regular fiction that is accessible for both beginners and
non-klingonists.
IMO, something like the above mentioned videos from Teresh should be created
by the KLI, on a regular basis.
I'm certain the resources and especially the knowledge on this list alone
would be more than enough to achieve this.

Christoph

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>Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:28:08 -0400
>From: Noah Bogart <nbtheduke at gmail.com>
>Cc: Klingon Mailing List <tlhingan-hol at kli.org>
>Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Dothraki nugh vIghal
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>In my heretical opinion, I feel like Klingon stagnates because we're stuck
waiting on MO for new words and constructions. Obviously, he's >great, but
the lack of community involvement in its furtherment, as I see it, makes
growing the speaking base hard.

>
>
>On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 7:04 AM, Fiat Knox <fiat_knox at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > I think what we really need is a current TV show on air where 
> > Klingon is spoken and is an important part of the plot.
>
> Or a major motion picture or two. And an opera.
>
>
> *From:* De'vID <de.vid.jonpin at gmail.com>
> *To:* tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol at kli.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, 8 April 2013, 11:14
> *Subject:* [Tlhingan-hol] Dothraki nugh vIghal
>
>
> They have such a pretty web site at:
> http://dothraki.org
>
> The nice PDF of "The Unofficial Dothraki Dictionary" is "updated 
> frequently" (and the word list looks like a real dictionary with nice 
> formatting).
>
> They have a working wiki.
>
> The side bar has links to Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter with a live 
> stream (I think) of tweets from the @learndothraki account.
>
> There's a news tab with actual news, and a media tab with videos and 
> sound. There's also a very active forum.
>
> qatlh Dochmeyvetlh DIghajbe' jay'?!
>
> I think what we really need is a current TV show on air where Klingon 
> is spoken and is an important part of the plot.
>
> --
> De'vID
>
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