[Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: pav

[lojmIt tI'wI'nuv]

Also, keep in mind that all of Vixis's lines were shot before Okrand was hired as a consultant for ST3, and so they were all spoken in English and then lip-synched at a later date with the Klingon. Kruge's lines were filmed after Okrand was hired, and so were filmed while he was speaking Klingon.

This is why a lot of Vixis's lines involve odd wording, like {rIntaH}, which has never been used by anybody except Vixis (because it gave her Klingon voice something to say while her English lips were moving).

I agree that in this sentence {potlh} has to be a noun. Quite likely, Okrand had it in the vocabulary as a verb and in order to get her lips fitting the syllables, decided to make it a noun, too.

For anyone who has never done this before, rent or purchase ST3 and watch Vixis with the volume turned down. She's saying in English exactly what the subtitles say she's saying in Klingon. Okrand earned whatever he made on that scene many times over. It's clearly the single most challenging thing he did as a translator.

pItlh
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On May 29, 2012, at 10:43 AM, Robyn Stewart wrote:

> It has to be a noun-noun and I like the distinction between designation and fact. 
> 
> Indeed: chaq De' potlh muchbe' potlh De'. Who hasn't received an email tagged 'priority' that wasn't important at all?  
> 
> - Qov
> 
> Sent from a mobile device through a temporary connection. 
> 
> On 2012-05-29, at 7:33, Felix Malmenbeck <felixm at kth.se> wrote:
> 
>> Star Trek V:
>> 
>> Vixis: HoD, yo' SeHyaH nIvvo' potlh De' wIHevtaH                  (?)
>> (Captain, new data, hostages on Nimbus III.)              [sic]
>> {Captain, we are receiving a priority message from Operations Command.}
>> [Clearly, this is NOT the line she is saying!]}
>> 
>> Source: http://www.kli.org/tlhIngan-Hol/2008/October/msg00037.html
>> 
>> It may be that this is an error. However, it may also be that this is not really a noun-verb construction meaning "important information", but rather a noun-noun construction meaning "information pertaining to something important". It seems to me that this may be a way of distinguishing between priority messages (an official designation for a specific concept) as opposed to messages which are prioritized (a more subjective description).
>> 
>> Compare with <pegh vIttlhegh>: It's a proverb for secrets, not a secret proverb (vIttlhegh pegh).
>> 
>> Also compare with ngoqDe' = "encoded message" (or is it *<ngoq De'>?)
>> 
>> [Vixis: DIvI' Se' wI'IjtaHvIS DaH ngoqDe' wIHevta'.
>> We've just received an encoded message on the Federation frequency.]
>> Vixis:  nImbuS wejDaq 'ejDo' 'entepray' ngeHlu'pu'
>> (The Starship Enterprise has been dispatched to Nimbus III.)
>> Klaa:  'entepray''a'. qIrq Duj 'oH
>> (Enterprise? That's Kirk's ship!)
>> 
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Philip Newton [philip.newton at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 16:20
>> To: tlhingan-hol at kli.org
>> Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: pav
>> 
>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu> wrote:
>>> potlh De'        priority message
>> 
>> That doesn't seem like a 1:1 translation... unless it was {De' potlh}?
>> 
>> Though I can imagine a scenario where the Klingon has {potlh De'} and
>> the English translation has "priority message"... can you provide the
>> source for this phrase, perhaps?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Philip
>> --
>> Philip Newton <philip.newton at gmail.com>
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