[Tlhingan-hol] {warjun} {tlher} je

[lojmIt tI'wI'nuv]

A mono-syllabic verb with a suffix is not a polysyllabic verb. {lo'laH} is not, as it appears, the verb {lo'} meaning "use" plus the suffix {-laH} "ability". nuH vIlo'laH. "I am able to use the weapon." {lo'laH nuH}. "The weapon is useful." It may look and sound alike, but it isn't. {lo'laH nuH vIlo'laH.} "I can use a useful weapon." This polysyllabic adjectival version of the word was probably a mistake that became canon, but now, because it is canon, it's a separate verb.

{HoSghaj} is probably a combination of a noun and verb to form a polysyllabic verb. Likely, they were two words used together so often they just merged.

Thanks for reminding me about {ghIpDIj}, {nughI'} (I remember when this word was invented), and {He'So'}. Also, thank you for making me filter through my database. I found several errors.

We might also have to include {nga'chuq}.

Even so, that's six disyllable verbs out of what I count as 908 non-derivative verbs. That's 902 monosyllabic verbs. That's a pretty strong trend. So, when wanting to make a verb meaning "lumpy" out of Clarence Rutherford's name, there's pressure to call it {tlher} and not {tlherenSe'}, since that would create the first trisyllable verb in the language, and the concept of being lumpy is just not important enough to be that exceptional.

pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv



On Mar 19, 2012, at 10:08 PM, André Müller wrote:

> Okay, but these two are bimorphemic, consisting of two parts, like derivations or compounds. There are much more polysyllabic verbs of that kind ({choptaH}, {ghomHa'}, {ghojmoH}, {boqHa''egh} etc., there are quite a lot). More interesting are the bisyllabic verbs that cannot be derived from monosyllabic morphemes, I found:
> 
> {ghIpDIj} = to court-martial
> {nughI'} = to twist one's knuckle into someone's head
> {He'So'} = to stink (while the first part means "to smell", the second part doesn't logically seem to be derivable from {So'} "to hide")
> 
> These are all I could find. I might have missed one or two, though.
> 
> This also reminds me of Thai, a language in which almost all native monomorphemic verbs and adjectives are also monosyllabic, while there are many monomorphemic polysyllabic nouns. A polysyllabic verb that cannot be split into two meaningful components is usually an indicator for being borrowed from some other language like Pali, Khmer or Sanskrit, or having undergone a phonetic process which splitted a consonant cluster up by inserting an epenthetic vowel and thereby creating another syllable.
> 
> - André
> 
> 2012/3/20 lojmIt tI'wI' nuv <lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com>
> Drat! Replied to the sender instead of the list again. Bleah!
> 
> tlher = Clarence because {tlher} is a verb, and except for {HoSghaj} and {lo'laH}, I'm pretty sure that all the verbs are monosyllabic. Those two verbs are "special". {tlher} is less "special".
> 
> lojmIt tI'wI' nuv
> lojmIttI7wI7nuv at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 19, 2012, at 6:52 PM, Terrence Donnelly wrote:
> 
> > HIvqa' veqlargh.
> >
> > Lumpy's sister was named Violet. I don't know if there was a Claire on that show.
> >
> > -- ter'eS
> >
> > --- On Mon, 3/19/12, Terrence Donnelly <terrence.donnelly at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Terrence Donnelly <terrence.donnelly at sbcglobal.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] {warjun} {tlher} je
> >> To: tlhIngan-Hol at kli.org, "Robyn Stewart" <robyn at flyingstart.ca>
> >> Date: Monday, March 19, 2012, 5:47 PM
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Mon, 3/19/12, Robyn Stewart <robyn at flyingstart.ca>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Does anyone know the pun behind {tlher}?
> >>>
> >>> I can't remember whether it was the Beaver or his big
> >>> brother, but one of them had a pal named Lumpy.
> >>>
> >>
> >> The Beaver's big brother, Wally, had a friend named Clarence
> >> Rutherford, who was nicknamed Lumpy. His little sister, who
> >> was in Beaver's class, was named Claire.
> >>
> >> -- ter'eS
> >>
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