[Tlhingan-hol] Facebook Translation Project [FTP]: weekdays

[Felix Malmenbeck]

> I'm really sorry for this question to evoke such a big discussion.

QoS vay' net poQ 'e' vIQubbe', 'ach poQlu'chugh, jIQoS jIH'e' :P

> I only wanted to find the general opinion on how to solve the problem,
> and I should not have done so, since I feel the answer has been stated
> many years ago in the KLI's accepted but not often read FAQ:

While I do not wish to re-ignite the previous discussion (and there's now a separate mail thread for that, anyway), I just wanted to say that I disagree with the statement "I should not have done so". It's a valid question, and it's good that you wanted to get more people's opinions on it.

Also, the answers to which you refer - while well-written and by skilled and well-respected jatlhwI'pu' - are both around 15 years old, and I'm sure that their authors never intended them to be considered beyond questioning.

>> Untranslated from what? German? English? Portuguese? I know you mean
>> English, but I support stepping away from the imperialism of English,
> Yes, of course I mean English.
> [reasons]

I fall a bit on both sides of this argument. I don't much like the use of English used as a substitute for Klingon for aesthetic reasons, but on the other hand, if you wish to make yourself understood (which is I guess is the whole reason against using {jaj wa'} to mean Sunday "mandated" by canon, or calling days *maSjaj and *veSjaj and what have you), then the practical advantages to using English cannot be denied.

To leave on a lighter note:

> Garfield hates Mondays ;-)

Perhaps he'd like it more if it were called "smileday"? #mu'qIDveS

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From: Lieven Litaer [lieven.litaer at web.de]
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 17:54
To: tlhingan-hol at kli.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Facebook Translation Project [FTP]: weekdays

jaj 02.03.2012 20:25, ghItlh ghunchu'wI' 'utlh:
> Perhaps it was a mistake for this particular issue to have been
> brought up on this particular forum, but I think it's appropriate for
> the question to be posed to as many skilled and/or longtime speakers
> as possible.

I'm really sorry for this question to evoke such a big discussion.

I only wanted to find the general opinion on how to solve the problem,
and I should not have done so, since I feel the answer has been stated
many years ago in the KLI's accepted but not often read FAQ:

2.3 How do I translate "Bubba" (or any name) into Klingon?
http://www.speers.nu/Holtej/klingon/faq.htm#2.3

2.7 How do I use words like "asparagus" when writing Klingon?
http://www.speers.nu/Holtej/klingon/faq.htm#2.7

jaj 02.03.2012 20:51, ghItlh Qov:
 > Untranslated from what? German? English? Portuguese? I know you mean
 > English, but I support stepping away from the imperialism of English,

Yes, of course I mean English.

The first reason is that we are translating Facebook from English, so
everything that has no been translated remains english. This creates
automated phrases like "Robyn likes your mIllogh" during the translation
process.

Next, I would use English anyway, just because it IS international and
everyone does understand this, more or less.

And yes, me too, I like to have new words, and I do wish to create new
words or somebody to create them, but all of us here have accepted "the
game" that only Maltz will give us new words. Perhaps things will change
in this way, or Maltz might move to Lawrence's basement or find a new
rule for the qolqoS of the KLI to create words.

There's no need to discuss that here though.

Lieven.

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