[Tlhingan-hol] Old fashioned radio

[Steven Boozer]

Well, we do have {wab HevwI'} "radio" from the Talk Now! Klingon course.  qe'San comments:

  I suppose although that could refer to any signal receiver rather
  than the type of device you'd tune into to listen to music. Having
  said that I took a similar tack but used {Se'}... In the first
  draft as I didn't have sight of the images I was thinking of some
  radios being 2 way communication devices as well as what we have
  here so I had written {Se' HablI'}. Marc said that although not
  wrong the picture depicted something that wasn't 2 way and wanted
  {wab} ["sound, noise"] in there so updated the entry to {wab HevwI'}.
  This also then fits better with cassette [{wab qoSta' 'aplo'}].
  [qe'San, 11/02/2011]

Some vocabulary and canon:

Se'  			 frequency (radio) 
  'evnagh Se'  		subspace radio [i.e. the system?]
  'evnagh Se' HablI' 	subspace radio [i.e. the device] KBoP
rI'Se'  			 hailing frequency
HablI'  			 data transceiving device
  ghogh HablI' 		a telephone (HQ 5.2)
  nav HablI' 		   	FAX (machine) (IMO HQ 5.2)
  'evnagh Se' HablI'   	subspace radio (device) KBoP

and some sentences:

  labmeH 'evnagh Se' lo' tlhIngan QumwI' 
  A Klingon communicator sends a signal through subspace radio. S19

  DIvI' Se' wI'IjtaHvIS DaH ngoqDe' wIHevta' 
  We've just received an encoded message on the Federation frequency. (ST5 notes)

If you don't like {wab HevwI'}, I'd use {chaDvay' Se'} for the system and {chaDvay' Se' HablI'} for the device modelled on {'evnagh Se' [HablI']}.  

Radio in Trek FYI:

  "I've been monitoring some of their old-style radio waves."
   (Uhura, TOS "Bread and Circuses")

  Data picked up low-level R.F. waves from Drema IV in 2365.
   (TNG "Pen Pals")

  Humpback whales George and Gracie were tagged with the radio
  frequency of 401 megahertz prior to their to their release into
  the wild from the Cetacean Institute in 20th century Sn Francisco.
  (ST4)

--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Felix Malmenbeck [mailto:felixm at kth.se]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:27 AM
> To: ghunchu'wI' 'utlh; Klingon language email discussion forum
> Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Old fashioned radio
> 
> Alright, so it seems I interpret the "(radio)" cimment as "Pertaining
> to radio equipment (subspace or orherwise); not how often something
> happens." and you take it as "In an interval corresponding roughly to
> the radio wave spectrum."
> 
> I'm guessing we've both seen the pertinent canon, and won't be easy to
> persuade, but to me, "frequency (used by radio equipment)" makes more
> sense as an entry in TKD, since subspace radio is actually used a lot
> in Trek, whereas radio waves don't appear to be.
> Also, I think <'evnagh Se'> looks quite strange using your
> interpretation. There may be historical reasons for it, but my reading
> gives it as "a radio band frequency (~10^3 to ~10^11 Hz) in subspace".
> To me, it makes a lot more sense if it means "a frequency used by radio
> equipment in subspace".
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: ghunchu'wI' 'utlh [qunchuy at alcaco.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 05:23
> To: Klingon language email discussion forum
> Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Old fashioned radio
> 
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Felix Malmenbeck <felixm at kth.se>
> wrote:
> > The exact gloss for Se' in TKD is "frequency (radio) (n)". As such,
> it seems to be a general term for any frequency, not just the radio
> wave part of the spectrum.
> 
> I interpret it in precisely the opposite fashion: it is *explicitly*
> radio. You might be thinking of {chaDvay'} "frequency (Hertz)".
> 
> > Also, in Star Trek, "radio" could also refer to "subspace radio",
> which probably doesn't work anything like regular radio. I wouldn't be
> surprised to learn that rI'Se' ("hailing frequency") could never be
> tapped into using any form of transistor radio.
> 
> Subpace radio is always referred to as "subspace radio" {'evnagh Se'}
> or just as "subspace".
> 
> -- ghunchu'wI'
> 
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