[Tlhingan-hol] More new words from Maltz

[Qov]

Oh okay, I'll play this game.

A qung is an "opening" while a QemjIq is a "cavity."

When I was in school, both were: {Hap Hutlhbogh 
Daq'e'} and we were grateful to have that much. 
Grateful, I tell you! Hoch lurghmeyDaq HuD wItoSnIStaH.

I should pull some old stories out of the 
archives, for us to laugh at the circumlocutions 
we went through trying to describe basic concepts.

- Qov

At 12:26 31/01/2012, you wrote:
>When I think of a hollow tree, in relation to 
>QemjIq, I think of a tree stump that someone has 
>hollowed out (or has been naturally hollowed out 
>by erosion) and has one big opening for you to 
>fill. If it's a tree that has a hollow inside, 
>with a single hole going through the outer bark, 
>then that hole would be a qung (but the inside would be a QemjIq?).Â
>
>I almost want to say: if the opening is as big, 
>or bigger (radius size) than the space on the 
>other side of the opening it's a QemjIq, while 
>if the opening is smaller than the space on the other side then it's a qung.Â
>
>A picture is worth a thousand words (especially 
>in this case) so this is how I would label these images:
>
>QemjIq =Â 
><http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/vtjordan/vtjordan1110/vtjordan111000008/10931107-hollow-tree-stump.jpg>http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/vtjordan/vtjordan1110/vtjordan111000008/10931107-hollow-tree-stump.jpg 
>(Wide opening that can be filled)
>qung =Â 
><http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/358540/358540,1299443710,4/stock-photo-bird-nest-in-hollow-tree-trunk-72586633.jpg>http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/358540/358540,1299443710,4/stock-photo-bird-nest-in-hollow-tree-trunk-72586633.jpg 
>(small opening, which would have to be patched, 
>as filling it would fill the QemjIq? inside the 
>hollow tree before the qung on the surface... )
>
>qurgh
>
>
>On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Felix 
>Malmenbeck <<mailto:felixm at kth.se>felixm at kth.se> wrote:
>Indeed, part of me feels like a QemjIq should be 
>a hollow space with a single, narrow opening 
>that you could by pouring cement into it if you 
>were allowed to rotate it however you wished 
>(like the hollow of a tree: if you're allowed to 
>lay the tree down horizontally, you could fill it with cement).
>
>________________________________________
>From: qurgh lungqIj [<mailto:qurgh at wizage.net>qurgh at wizage.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 19:46
>To: <mailto:tlhingan-hol at kli.org>tlhingan-hol at kli.org
>Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] More new words from Maltz
>
>I think we need to ask Marc what he was thinking when he said "fillable". :)
>
>Number 1 in your suggestion is very fillable 
>IMO, as you can fill it by pouring cement into 
>it, while you can't pour cement into a qung (as 
>it would simply pour out the other side). qung, 
>on the other hand, can be patched by covering it 
>with another material (some of which goes into 
>the hole), but patching a QemjIq would simply give it a roof.
>
>I see it as a qung being a hole in something 
>that you can look through and see things on the 
>other side, while a QemjIq doesn't have another 
>side. If I use a spade, I can dig a QemjIq in 
>the ground, but I can also punch a qung in a 
>wall with it (if I could somehow dig all the way 
>through the planet and out the other side, I'd 
>have a qung). QemjIq = hole, depression, empty 
>pond, drained lake, opening of a volcano, etc; 
>qung = hole, puncture, gap, tear in the knee of my pants, bullet hole, etc.
>
>As for a bottle's mouth, I don't see that as 
>qung or QemjIq, as the bottle is made that 
>shape. If I drilled a hole into the bottle, that 
>would be a qung (just as I have to drill holes 
>into a flute to make it make music, but the holes at either end are not qung).
>
>qurgh
>
>On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Felix 
>Malmenbeck <<mailto:felixm at kth.se>felixm at kth.se<mailto:felixm at kth.se>> wrote:
>Very true. However, I suspect the comment about 
>QemjIqmey being fillable and qungmey not was a 
>bit of a misdtatement; after all, one can fill 
>most small qungmey with a bit of lam Dogh.
>
>I suspect the distinction is about one of two things:
>
>1) Topology: Depressions(holes with "dead ends") 
>Â are QemjIqmey, true holes are qungmey.
>2) The depth of the material: Much like the way 
>'ab refers to "longish, skinnyish things", 
>perhaps qungmey refer to punctures in 
>"membranish, sheetlike things"; things with 
>depths that are small compared to width and length.
>
>2) strikes me as being the more natural 
>distinction to make, alrhough I personally prefer 1).
>Neither 1) nor 2) satisfies Okrand's non-fillability criterion, however.
>
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