[Tlhingan-hol] More new words from Maltz

[qurgh lungqIj]

When I think of a hollow tree, in relation to QemjIq, I think of a tree
stump that someone has hollowed out (or has been naturally hollowed out by
erosion) and has one big opening for you to fill. If it's a tree that has a
hollow inside, with a single hole going through the outer bark, then that
hole would be a qung (but the inside would be a QemjIq?).

I almost want to say: if the opening is as big, or bigger (radius size)
than the space on the other side of the opening it's a QemjIq, while if the
opening is smaller than the space on the other side then it's a qung.

A picture is worth a thousand words (especially in this case) so this is
how I would label these images:

QemjIq =
http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/vtjordan/vtjordan1110/vtjordan111000008/10931107-hollow-tree-stump.jpg
(Wide
opening that can be filled)
qung =
http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/358540/358540,1299443710,4/stock-photo-bird-nest-in-hollow-tree-trunk-72586633.jpg
(small
opening, which would have to be patched, as filling it would fill the
QemjIq? inside the hollow tree before the qung on the surface... )

qurgh


On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Felix Malmenbeck <felixm at kth.se> wrote:

> Indeed, part of me feels like a QemjIq should be a hollow space with a
> single, narrow opening that you could by pouring cement into it if you were
> allowed to rotate it however you wished (like the hollow of a tree: if
> you're allowed to lay the tree down horizontally, you could fill it with
> cement).
>
> ________________________________________
> From: qurgh lungqIj [qurgh at wizage.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 19:46
> To: tlhingan-hol at kli.org
> Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] More new words from Maltz
>
> I think we need to ask Marc what he was thinking when he said "fillable".
> :)
>
> Number 1 in your suggestion is very fillable IMO, as you can fill it by
> pouring cement into it, while you can't pour cement into a qung (as it
> would simply pour out the other side). qung, on the other hand, can be
> patched by covering it with another material (some of which goes into the
> hole), but patching a QemjIq would simply give it a roof.
>
> I see it as a qung being a hole in something that you can look through and
> see things on the other side, while a QemjIq doesn't have another side. If
> I use a spade, I can dig a QemjIq in the ground, but I can also punch a
> qung in a wall with it (if I could somehow dig all the way through the
> planet and out the other side, I'd have a qung). QemjIq = hole, depression,
> empty pond, drained lake, opening of a volcano, etc; qung = hole, puncture,
> gap, tear in the knee of my pants, bullet hole, etc.
>
> As for a bottle's mouth, I don't see that as qung or QemjIq, as the bottle
> is made that shape. If I drilled a hole into the bottle, that would be a
> qung (just as I have to drill holes into a flute to make it make music, but
> the holes at either end are not qung).
>
> qurgh
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Felix Malmenbeck <felixm at kth.se<mailto:
> felixm at kth.se>> wrote:
> Very true. However, I suspect the comment about QemjIqmey being fillable
> and qungmey not was a bit of a misdtatement; after all, one can fill most
> small qungmey with a bit of lam Dogh.
>
> I suspect the distinction is about one of two things:
>
> 1) Topology: Depressions(holes with "dead ends")  are QemjIqmey, true
> holes are qungmey.
> 2) The depth of the material: Much like the way 'ab refers to "longish,
> skinnyish things", perhaps qungmey refer to punctures in "membranish,
> sheetlike things"; things with depths that are small compared to width and
> length.
>
> 2) strikes me as being the more natural distinction to make, alrhough I
> personally prefer 1).
> Neither 1) nor 2) satisfies Okrand's non-fillability criterion, however.
>
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