[Tlhingan-hol] Vocabulary Sources & Sort Order

[qurgh lungqIj]

For my sorting algorithm, I actually converted the words to unicode pIqaD
first, stored that string and then used it to sort the dictionary. During
that process I convert the letters to single characters and then convert
those single characters into pIqaD.

I have this whole process automated, so if you have your dictionary in an
spreadsheet or database I can probably do the whole pIqaD conversion
process for you.

qurgh


On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Qov <robyn at flyingstart.ca> wrote:

> I'm in the course of doing something that every Klingonist should do, but
> that I admit to having never done: typing out all the vocabulary.
>
> I started (most of you know this story) with a first printing, first
> edition of TKD that I wanted to keep nice, so I memorized the vocabulary in
> order to avoid over-thumbing it. I bought the second edition, and
> subsequent Okrand works, but I tried to learn each new word as it came out,
> and then used ter'eS's wonderful KLIflash tool for cementing my vocabulary.
> In recent years my command of the vocabulary has dropped specifically
> because when DOS stopped being accessible on Windowns machines, I could no
> longer use KLIflash.  I've finally started the project that everyone else
> did fifteen years ago. It's easy going because I do know the vocabulary, so
> don't have to type the words letter-by-letter like a beginner would. I'm
> enjoying the review and am still being occasionally surprised by reminders
> like, "oh, laj is a noun, too."
>
> I'm just starting the v's in KGT and the thing that made me write this
> post is the amusement that as I get to words like vaH in KGT, or even ghoch
> in the TKD appendix, I say, "wait, no, this is original vocabulary" and go
> back and confirm that it's an original TKD word. I think it's funny that my
> brain has saved when it learned the words along with the words.  I think
> the language must be a different experience for everyone who never had to
> function in it without {'uch} and it will be a different experience again
> for those to come whose tlhIngan Hol has always been rich with food words,
> and always included words for "hole", "window" and "table." Now if only I
> had "bridge," the sort that goes over a river. not raghjaj 'oghlaHghachmaj!
>
> Speaking of creativity, when it comes to sorting lists in Klingon, let's
> see, if I substitute:
>
> ' --> z
> ch --> c
> gh --> f
> ng -->nx
> Q --> Qx
> tlh --> tx
>
> do the sort and then reverse the procedure, I think will get almost the
> correct sort order without losing information. A word like bot'eng would
> end up after botlh'eng, but I don't think there are any examples like that.
>
> I can't do tlh->tz, because then bot'eng becomes botzeng and botlh'eng
> becomes botzzeng and reversing the process gives either botlheng and
> botlh'eng or bot'eng and bot''eng.
>
> I suppose the safe option is to sub every single letter so that the 26
> Klingon ones become the 26 latin ones, in an order that subs the two and
> three letter combos (I don't care what we call them) first and then the
> undo needs to be in a calculated order, too. Someone must have this down to
> a science.
>
> - Qov
>
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