[Tlhingan-hol] Newbie question about vIneHbogh construction

[Steven Boozer]

FYI we have two examples of {neHbogh} in canon:

  vay' DaneHbogh yIchargh 
  Conquer what you desire. TKW 

  nuH DaneHbogh yIngu'! 
  Which weapon do you want? 
  ("Identify the weapon that you want!") 


--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philip Newton [mailto:philip.newton at gmail.com]
> 
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 23:45, Wiechu <ddanecki at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I wan to say in Klingon: "Things I want to see" or "Things which I
>> want to see"
>>
>> I came with this: Dochmey vIlegh vIneHbogh.
> 
> Perhaps one way of looking at this is to remember that {Dochmey vIlegh
> vIneH} is (as I understand it) two separate sentences: {Dochmey
> vIlegh} and {vIneH}. With other verbs than {neH}, you need {'e'},
> which makes this clearer - for example, "I see you eat gagh" would be
> {qagh DaSop 'e' vIlegh} ("You eat gagh; I see that"). Translating that
> as "I see you eat gagh" is idiomatically better English but doesn't
> reflect the structure of the Klingon particularly well.
> 
> So what you're wanting is to access something from the first sentence
> *out of* the second sentence. I'm not sure whether that works -
> {vIneHbogh} would probably either relativise its subject ("The I that
> wants; I who want") or its objects, which I guess is {'e'}: "The fact
> of 'I see things' that I want".
> 
> Cheers,
> Philip