[Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay' wa'vatlh wa'maH cha': <SuchwI' chaw'>

[lojmIt tI'wI'nuv]

It's interesting that everyone is using movie dialog which is obviously supposed to be badly formed dialectic, back-country Klingon as the canon example that's supposed to clarify whether or not the direct object of {ghoS} should be {nuq} or {nuqDaq}. 

I'd suggest that the direct object of {ghoS} can never be a locative. If it were, it would be the only verb in the language to do that. This is simply not what locatives do in Klingon language. 

Normally, the direct object is a noun, and you simply know that the feature of interest of the noun is its location when it is the direct object of this verb. 

You may choose to use a location as the direct object, but not in locative form. You'd need an all-important space between the noun and the {Daq} following it. The following might be as grammatically correct as {nuq DaghoS}, though it would be as redundant and unnecessary as "The Moon orbits around the Earth," instead of the better formed, "The Moon orbits the Earth.":

nuq Daq DaghoS?

Meanwhile, this looks a lot like early attempts at forming the question word "which". This grammatical form was rejected in favor of the command:

Daq DaghoSbogh yIngu'!

So, I suggest once again that the simplest, best form of this question is:

nuq DaghoS?

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On Jan 6, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Rohan F <qeslagh at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> ghItlhpu' De'vID, jatlh:
>> Which captions?  I'll have to haul out my DVD to watch it again, but I
>> don't recall seeing {nuq DaghoS}, and I think I would've noticed since
>> it would've surprised me.
> 
> Me too. By a happy coincidence I just watched ST6 again a few days ago and
> though I didn't have the captions on, I'm sure I heard {nuqDaq ghoS}.
> Though it's Clipped Klingon, the following sentence is clearly Morskan
> {ghewmey SuqQo'}, which is also clipped.
> 
> Also, the sentence containing {ghoS} follows the atrocious Klingon response
> by Uhura, which is largely unintelligible but which clearly begins with the
> phrase {*Ursva maH} "we are the [ship] Ursva". Given that the pronoun is
> {maH}, I think if the Klingon's response to Uhura contained any prefix it
> would've been {bo-}.
> 
>> (It was the same television I on which I watched Captain Klaa shout
>> {HIvHe choHmoH!} during a different visit. From that I learned that
>> {choHmoH} means to change something else, thus {choH} would mean to
>> become different.)
> 
> Intriguing. From {woj choHwI'} and {HoS choHwI'} I'd assumed that {choH}
> was to change something else, so if something changed on its own, then it
> was {choHlu'}. I don't think I have any of the actual phrases from ST5 -
> maybe I should hurry up and watch it!
> 
> QeS 'utlh
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