[Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay' wa'vatlh wa'maH cha': <SuchwI' chaw'>

[Qov]

I understand the arguments against nuqDaq DaghoS, but to me the 
answer to nuq DaghoS is {tlhoy'vetlh} or {chob'a'vam}, not jonwI' choQ.

Has nuq ever been used in canon as a destination?  Has interrogative 
where ever been translated without nuqDaq?

I'll evade here with {nuq 'oH ghochlIj'e', HoD?}

How would you feel about {nuqDaq DajaH?}?

I really like these discussions and don't ever feel that I'm being 
nitpicked whether it's a mere qaghwI' or a using a verb against canon.

- Qov

At 06:49 05/01/2012, lojmIt tI'wI'nuv wrote:
>I disagree about {nuqDaq DaghoS} vs. {nuq DaghoS}. I think either is 
>acceptable and can be understood, but {nuq DaghoS} is preferable if 
>you want to know the target of one's travel, while {nuqDaq DaghoS} 
>is preferable if you want to identify a larger location that 
>contains the entire path one travels to get there.
>
>Remember that Okrand has explained to us that {ghoS} doesn't just 
>mean to go somewhere. It means to move along a path from something 
>to something. The direct object is an object located somewhere along 
>the path, most typically, the goal location. It's the thing that, 
>for the purposes of the sentence, the path is named after.
>
>If you add {-Daq}, then the noun isn't a direct object of {ghoS}, 
>it's the location that includes the path one travels upon while one {ghoS}s.
>
>In My Humble Opinion.
>
>I think he actually gave an example that {bIQtIq vIghoS} means "I am 
>going to the river," or "I'm traversing a path that includes the 
>river, probably as its destination," while {bIQtIqDaq vIghoS} means 
>"I'm in the river and I'm going somewhere." Also note that 
>{bIQtIqDaq jIghoS} is a perfectly formed sentence, while {bIQtIQ 
>jIghoS} is not. This implies that {bIQtIqDaq vIghoS} has an unstated 
>direct object, while {bIQtIQDaq} is the location of the action of 
>the verb, not its direct object.
>
>That's the key. If I ask {nuqDaq DaghoS?}, then I'm not asking where 
>you are headed. I'm asking everywhere you've been and intend to go. 
>I want the broader, all-inclusive location you are traveling in; the 
>entire zone, not just the direction.
>
>pItlh
>lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
>
>
>
>On Jan 4, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Qov wrote:
>
>>Hey, I missed you. You're part of the creative process now. :-)
>>
>>At 13:50 04/01/2012, you wrote:
>>>On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Qov 
>>><<mailto:robyn at flyingstart.ca>robyn at flyingstart.ca> wrote:
>>> > ngo' Duj 'ach veQ 'oHbe'bej.
>>>
>>>Do' veQDuj 'oHbe' veS'e'.
>>
>>lInDab Duj 'oH. 'ach Qu'DajvaD thoy ngo'.
>>
>>> > "nuqDaq DaghoS, HoD?"
>>>
>>>'utbe' <-Daq> qar'a'? I'm getting a "from whence" vibe here.
>>
>>jIQoch. I'm pretty sure nuqDaq is a chunk like QongDaq, not the 
>>same word as, say nuqDaq DaQeq = what are you aiming at.  If there 
>>were numerous objects in the room and you had to pick one to 
>>approach then sure, nuq DaghoS, but "Where are you going?" = nuqDaq DaghoS.
>>
>>...
>>- Qov
>>
>>
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