[Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay' wa'vatlh wejmaH Hut: <noH ghu>

[Robyn Stewart]

At 08:48 14/02/2012, you wrote:
>I apologize in advance for the quantity of comments on grammar and usage.

If you're apologizing, then I'm expecting them to be skimpy. If 
they're copious, I should be apologizing and thanking you.

> > jatlh vajar, "rIngDal loS?"
>
>Star Trek V has a relevant line spoken by Klaa when he is told that
>the Federation is sending the Enterprise to Nimbus III:
>
>{'entepray' 'a'?}

I didn't know that canon. I saw STV twice but didn't catch that 
detail. I probabl thought an actor's pronunciation of 'oH'a' was 
audible only as -'a'. Interesting. I'm more comfortable with a 
verbless "echo-question" like "rIngDal loS?" than I would be tagging 
it with the V9, but it's a very interesting piece of canon.

>It's the only example I know of with a fragmentary noun-as-question.
>It looks like he just used the interrogative verb suffix without a
>verb.
>
> > "HIja'. qaStaHvIS noHvetlh jIboghpu'," jatlh ghutar. "Sub jIHpu'."
> >
> > "qaStaHvIS loS DIS neH taH mID noH. chay' Sub ghaHlaH ghu'e'? lut
> > yIjatlh"[203] jatlh vajar.
>
>You could say {lut ghoQoymoH} if you don't like {yIjatlh}. Or you
>could just say {ghoja'} without mentioning {lut}.

I think I've got over it.

> > mon ghutar 'ej jatlhchoH, "mID noHDaq negh chaHtaHvIS vavwI''e' SoSwI''e'
> > je, qIHchuq. rIngDal loS lucharghmeH yavDaq Suv negh law'. 'omqu' Sungpu'.
> > may'meyvetlh Dunmo' bommey law' luqonlu'pu', 'ach lutwIj neH Saja'.
>
>If you're going to say {lutwIj neH Saja'} anyway, why make a big deal
>out of not saying {lut ghoja'} above?

I could only hold off my natural tendency to ja' a lut for so long.

> > jagh lughobtaHvIS SoSwI' vavwI' je Ho'chuqchoH 'ej che'ronDaq 
> tlhejchuqchoH.
> > Hubchuq 'ej toDchuq 'ej SeymoHmo' may'mey nga'chuq, vaj yatlhchoH
> > SoSwI'[111]. tInqu'choHmo' chorDaj SuvlaHchu'be'DI' tay'laHtaHmeH QaSvaD
> > vutchoH.
>
>(I like {Sach} better than {tInqu'choH}, but only enough to mention it
>rather than actually suggest the change.)

I prefer tInqu'choH because I think she still fought SachchoHDI', and 
it was only when it became really cumbersome that she withdrew from 
the battlefield.

> > yoSDaq luDantaHbogh, raQ luDab.
>
>{-Daq} is unnecessary on this {yoS}. Reading it there, I get a sense
>that I might be missing a subtle point of meaning.

jIQochbe'. I'm not sure why I sent it out with -Daq there in the 
first place. I may have meant to type yoSvetlh and pressed the wrong 
suffix activation code in my brain.

>ghu tar? Hujqu'.

jImon. Qochbe' Hota'ro'.

> > jatlh Hota'ro', "ghu tar? vIyajbe'."
> >
> > jatlh ghutar, "ghuHta' 'oS. jaS jatlh SoSwI'. <ghuHta'> HechDI' <ghutar>
> > jatlh. SepDajDaq motlh QIchvetlh. jIHmo' ghuHta' SuvwI'pu'." Hemba' ghutar.
>
>toH. Huj, 'ach jaS Huj.

toH, ghutar SoS yIwuvHa'Qo'.  tlhIngan wo'Daq Sar QIch mIwmey. voDleH 
gheSchugh ghutar DaghojnIS.

> > jatlh vajar, "majQa'. Dun lut." wej'vatlh nem lutvetlh ja'taH ghutar qorDu'
> > 'e' tlhoj vajar. vajar ghu lut ja'laH pagh.
>
>Do'. ghu lutDaj 'oghlaH 'ej tlhochlaH pagh.

vajar ghu lut vISov, 'ach Saja'be' 'ej vajar vISovchoHmoHbe' je.

> > jatlh vajar, "tlhIngan tlham vIchIjnISDI' jImIS 'ach jagh'e' vIqaDlaH."
>
>may' qaq law' Quj qaq puS.
>
>pIj ghaHvaD qay' tlham. Duj tlham chu'Ha'DI' Hota'ro', meH tlhoy'Daq
>pum vajar HoD 'e' vIqaw.

:-)

bIqawchu'.

qaHoy'. DaH 'ay''a' chorgh DalaDrup.