[Tlhingan-hol] Beginner Story: nuq bop bom 'ay''a' wej

Robyn Stewart robyn at flyingstart.ca
Thu Nov 3 16:15:22 PDT 2011


I think I've been convinced by the ubiquity of the so-called error, 
including the example illustrating the rule, that it is not an error, 
that it is the way the language it. It's exactly analogous to the 
French ce n'est pas being used were ce ne sont pas should be, and the 
same thing isn't unknown in English, "There's plenty of them around 
here."  "There's five of them."  "There's" is just easier to say than 
"There'r"  I guess.

You know how when Germans learn English [hi Germans!] they use rules 
that the two languages once shared and produce verb forms that while 
not actually ungrammatical in English are marked because no native 
English speaker has used them for over a hundred years?  I am now 
convinced that lutu'lu' is a hypercorrection like that. I might even 
stop using it. At least in dialogue.

>We've discussed this in the past. There are a couple of possible 
>explanations. One is that it's a fixed expression: just add tu'lu' 
>to mean "there is/are." Another is that it's an example of the 
>phenomenon described in KGT: "Common Errors: The Case of lu-."
>
>I have a vague notion that lutu'lu' has appeared somewhere, but it's 
>not in TKD or KGT, the only materials I have handy and searchable right now.
>
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