[Tlhingan-hol] Loose Klingon
Qov
robyn at flyingstart.ca
Sun Dec 4 08:29:57 PST 2011
This hypothesis makes it easier to write loosely
but harder to write strictly and harder to read.
It becomes trapdoor code, a one way passage into
which meaning can be placed but from which it can
never be retrieved. The more ways a word can be
used the harder it is to parse a sentence or to
write a sentence that cannot be incorrectly
parsed. I've just about had it with qogh alone: I
can't write qogh now without specifying either
nach qogh or yopwaH qogh, and I know to do that
now, but so many other innocent words I string
together with one meaning and leave people
thinking I've said something completely different.
o' tlhingan Hol qaparHa'qu' 'a qamuS.
At 20:11 26/11/2011, David Trimboli wrote:
>More and more, the new canon we see appears to
>break rules. I believe that some of it is purely
>error, mostly the forgotten rules of no Type 5s
>on the first noun of a noun-noun, net instead of
>'e', and Type 7 on the second verb of a
>sentence-as-object. However, there are some
>"rules" that I am beginning to question. Verbs
>as nouns These keep showing up. "It is not known
>if all verbs can be used as nouns," says the TKD
>Addendum, and we know that {tlhutlh} can never
>be a noun, but what if most verbs can indeed be
>used as nounsâat least, the ones that seem to
>have obvious meanings as nouns? Variable
>semantics The semantic roles of subjects and
>objects in Klingon seem to change all the time.
>I can {mev}, I can {mev} you, making you you
>{mev}. Sometimes we're given explicit
>instructions on how to use a verb, but most of
>the time we rely on the semantics of the English
>translation. Suppose Klingon semantics aren't so
>strict? Suppose you can use any semantic role
>you like as subject or object, so long as
>context makes it clear what you mean? {jIDIng}
>"I spin," {gho vIDIng} "I spin the circle," {gho
>vIDIngmoH} "I spin the circle." (The difference
>between the latter two is an explicit indication
>({-moH}) that the subject is the agent, as
>opposed to, say, an instrument or a force.
>Other? There may be other examples of "loose
>grammar" that I haven't thought of. I'm not sure
>whether to take these as signs that Okrand can't
>keep the whole thing in his head and makes LOTS
>of mistakes, or whether Klingon is supposed to
>be more "yeah, whatever" than we give it credit
>for. Remember the rigor their grammarians give
>to parts of speech... -- SuStel
>http://www.trimboli.name/
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