<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">On 2012-07-30, at 13:42, "ghunchu'wI' 'utlh" <<a href="mailto:qunchuy@alcaco.net">qunchuy@alcaco.net</a>> wrote:</span><br></div><div><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Qov <<a href="mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca">robyn@flyingstart.ca</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>mIghwI' maghlu''a'? quvwI' maghlu''a'? ghaH maghlu'bogh vISovmeH pe'vIl vIlaD.<br> <br></div>
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<div>**<br>I'll accept it either way, but I need to point out that you're using {Qol} inconsistently. Until this instance, I think you were consistent in placing the traveler as the subject. Here, though, you've treated it the way you do {jol}, with the transporter operator as the subject and the person traveling as the object (which is my preference, incidentally).</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Since we last considered this topic I have rewritten the entire ghItlh such that all uses of jol and Qol have rhe transportee(s) as the object. <div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div>What I get most strongly from {muD rIl} is "blow a raspberry". After careful thought, I guess you mean "give a thumbs up sign". Either of them could be a reasonable signal.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I forgot that rIl had another meaning. I'll use Sen to evite the ambiguity. <br><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p>jonwI' choQDaq lotlhwI' ghom lujol.</p></blockquote>
<p>jol qoreQ 'ar? toH, nIteb vajar jollu' 'e' vIyajchoH. jolpa'Daq ratlh latlhpu'.</p></div></blockquote>DumISmoHpu'mo' vIlISnISlaw'. <br><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p>nab laj qoreQ. jolpat ravDaq gho' vajar. nISwI' beH, betleH je qemtaH vajar[274],</p></blockquote>
<p>pu' HIchDaj lonpu''a'?</p></div></blockquote><div>Do'Ha' nge' qImyal, jonDI'. chaq lIjbe'meJ laDwI' DaH qelnIS vajar. </div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p>'ach lotlhwI'pu' HIvmoHbe'meH DubDajDaq beH qem 'ej ghopDajvo' HuStaH neH betleH. jolpat SeHlaw buS qoreQ 'ej leQmey law' 'uy. tagha' vajar leghlaHghach wewchoHmoH jol 'ej ngoSchoH pa'.<br>
<br>ngoSHa'lI' chob chIm. lurghDaj wIvmeH 'IjchoH vajar. ghaH tlhopDaq ghoghmey QoylaHmo' DuvchoH. lotlhwI'pu'vaD jatlhrupmeH pur vajar. Huj. may' larghlaHbe'. chaq chobvamvaD jaS 'el muD ngeb.</p>
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<p>pagh chaq chIch chob mujDaq jolta' lotlhbe'bogh qoreQ.</p></div></blockquote>'e' DaQub'a'? :-) vIqontaHvIS SIbI' loy laDwI' 'e' vIHaj, 'ach SovtaHvIS laDwI' Sovbe'taHvIS qaH'eng vajar je, Qap je lut. <br><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p>vajar retlhDaq pum vay' mach. ngu'laHpa' vajar, jor. wovqu'choHmo' chob, leghlaHbe'. pe'vIl muplaw'mo' muD tlhoS tlhuHlaHbe'.</p></blockquote>
<p>ghaytan QoylaHbe' je.</p>
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<p>nom chob lu'el negh law'. 'omqu'bej vajar 'ach chIch Hub'eghrupbe'pu'mo' lujchu'. </p></blockquote>
<p>**<br>chIch wunmo', chaq <-ta'> qaq law' <-pu'> qaq puS.</p></div></blockquote><div>tlhejmo' -be' vISovbejbe'. </div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p>vulchoH. mInDu'Daj poSqa'laHDI', joy'wI' pa'Daq ghaHtaH.</p></blockquote>
<p>qab De' 'ej QaQ De'. jonba'ta' qImyal. 'ach Do'qu'chugh 'ej valchugh, pa'Daq jollu' 'e' chaw'meH Hung pat ngeplaH.</p>
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<p>vajar 'emDaq yebDu'Daj tay'moH tlhoy' rarbogh mIrmey Qey'e'. DaSmey tuQbe'taH. ngIbDu'Daj rartaH je mIr, 'ej rav rar. 'oy'choH volchaHDu'Daj.</p></blockquote>
<p>**<br>I can make {tlhoy'/rav rar mIr} work without stretching the meaning of {rar} to include a "connect *to*" idea, but just barely. Rephrasing it is not necessary, but it might make it read a little more smoothly.</p></div></blockquote>vIlaDqa'. <br><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p>ngaQHa'moHwI' wab Qoy. poSmoH lojmIt 'ej 'el qImyal Sa'. quSDaq ba'choH Sa'. vajar bejchoH Sa'. tlhoy' bejtaH vajar 'ach Sa' leghlaH.</p></blockquote>
<p>After having {bej} used this way often in the story, "facing the wall" comes very easily to mind. I hope it isn't an abuse of the word's true meaning.</p></div></blockquote>I did mean it as "watches the wall.". He's not deigning ti turn and look at her. <br><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p>jatlh qImyal, «qanoHHa'pu', vajar HoD. qIQmeH yaSpu'wI' DaponlaH 'e' vIloybe'. 'et tach boQaw'pu' ja' HungpInwI'. bIHem'a'?»</p></blockquote>
<p>tach Qaw'pu' 'e' buSlaw' HungpIn. raSmeyvetlh SaHqu'ba' jay'! ram'a' Heghbogh negh?</p></div></blockquote>ja'pu' ya Sogh ...<br><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<p>**<br>{ja'} isn't being used the way I expect that it should here: {boQaw'pu'} has the wrong prefix for it to be reported speech.</p></div></blockquote>I was looking for "reports". But I will change the prefix to accommodate requiring it to be reported speech. </div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p>'et tach SaH'a' Sa'? QaSDaj nawlogh luQaw'ta' je.</p></blockquote>
<p>tu' je vajar. maj.</p></div></blockquote>chaq De' naQ ghajbe' je qImyal. <br><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p>jatlh vajar, «qIQchoHmeH vIponbe'. qIQrup chaH. 'eb vInob neH.»<br><br>jatlh qImyal, «QupwI'pu'vaD 'eb Danobmo' loQ bInoy. pIj nInaD nItoy'pu'bogh beqpu'.»<br><br>noy'a' vajar? machmo' Dugh 'ej pIj Dalmo' Qu'meyDaj, reH vajar toy' beqpu' Qup, beqpu''e' lajHa'ta'bogh latlhpu' je. ghojmoHtaH vajar. ghojmoH 'e' tIv 'ej ghojwI'pu'Daj SaHqu'.</p>
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<p>maj. ja' vIttlhegh lI' «ghojwI'pu'lI' tISaH».</p></div></blockquote>wISovbej, jIH vajar je. <br><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p>pIj Dujmey potlh toy'choH, vajar toy'pu'DI'. chaHmo' Hem vajar. jatlh «vIvuvmo' 'ej vIghongbe'mo' batlh mutoy'.» </p></blockquote>
<p>vuvbe' qImyal 'ej ghong, 'e' chuplaw' vajar.</p></div></blockquote>teHlaH'a'? :-)<br><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p>mIwmeyDaj ghojwI'pu'Daj je DelmeH vajar yu'choH qImyal. peghmey bIHbe'mo' jatlhqang vajar. 'op mIwmeyDaj Ho' qImyal. 'oy'taH vajar volchaHDu' 'ach ghu'vam SIQlaHbej.</p>
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<p>wej qImyal Dup vIyaj. peghDaj ghojpu' Qa'bar 'e' Sovbe''a'?</p></div></blockquote>chobDaq nuq ja' DaqwI'? qImyalvaD De' ja'pu''a'? ghobe'. De' 'op nob 'ach qImyal HeSmey tu'DI' moch rI', 'ej lotlhchoH ghaH moch je. <br></div><div><br></div><div>jan tu'DI' Qa'bar, joy'meHpa' ghoSmeH meH mejpu' qImyal, 'e' wISov. </div><div><br></div><div>- Qov</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></body></html>