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<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color: #000000;font-size: 10pt;">There's two more examples in paq'batlh:<br>
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QIStaq qoD DISDaq<br>
tu''egh qeylIS'e'<br>
DIS veghlu'chugh<br>
pa' Heghpu'bogh nuvpu' qa'pu' tu'lu'<br>
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In the heart of Kri'stak,<br>
Kahless finds himself in a cave<br>
Leading to<br>
The world beyond the living<br>
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lojmItDaj veghta'DI' jubbe'wI'<br>
yInqa'meH chegh 'e' botnIS qotar<br>
qeylIS HoHmeH qotar qeylIS SamnIS<br>
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Still, Kotar cannot let a mortal<br>
Pass his gates and return alive,<br>
Kahless must be hunted down and killed.<br>
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On a related note, paq'batlh also contains a use of juS ("overtake, pass"):<br>
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ghIq SIqralDaq<br>
molor HoS waw' lupawmeH<br>
bIQtIq HeH juS SuvwI' ghom<br>
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The band of warriors then went<br>
Past the shore to the river Skral,<br>
To Molor's seat of power.<br>
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</span></font><font color="#1f497d" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Or perhaps the Klingons – or their version of the Universal<br>
> Translator! - simply translated the Federation Standard name<br>
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</span></font><font color="#1f497d" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">literally, recognizing that “dominion” is an actual word.</span></font><br>
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Indeed; I'd personally love to have a more distinct word for the Dominion, since it'd make it a bit easier to talk about, but it does make some sense that they'd do it that way if their first introduction to the Dominion was from eavesdropping on Federation
subspace chatter.<br>
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What bothers me slightly is that at the time of KGT, which was published at around the time of DS9's sixth season premier, {ngup} was only used as a slang term for authorities; it really means "cape". As such, calling such an important body {ngup'a'} seems
a bit inappropriate...<br>
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...unless, of course, the Founder/Vorta/whatever name for the Dominion really means "the great cape"; a poetic metaphor for a large, unbroken area, in which any hole can be patched, but which will fall to the ground and crinkle if separated from the collar
(representing the Founders).<br>
This is, of course, terribly far-fetched speculation, but I rather like it :P<br>
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<div style="direction: ltr;" id="divRpF564911"><font color="#000000" face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Steven Boozer [sboozer@uchicago.edu]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 04, 2012 22:50<br>
<b>To:</b> tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] A vague example at last from Monopoly<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Courier New"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Or perhaps the Klingons – or their version of the Universal Translator! - simply translated the Federation
Standard name literally, recognizing that “dominion” is an actual word.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv [mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com] <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">The thing that bothers me about definitions like "Dominion" is that we're doing in Klingon the same thing we're doing in English. Likely, The Dominion doesn't call itself
"The Dominion". It's a proper name we made up, based on a common noun that describes the thing we've named.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">So, when we put in definitions like this, we really need to recognize that {ngup'a'} has two meanings. One is the proper noun and the other is the common noun. It's like
{matlh}. It's the verb "be loyal" and it's the proper name Maltz.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">... or maybe Klingon doesn't have a proper name for The Dominion. They are just one of many "major authorities" and when we translate to English, which DOES have a proper
noun for this group, we translate it as "The Dominion".</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On Apr 4, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Steven Boozer wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 5.25pt;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">De'vID: <br>
I've photographed all the cards and put them online. You should be able to access them at this link:<font color="#1f497d"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></font></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/117851035855826465807/KlingonMonopoly?authkey=Gv1sRgCJSd-dThzIbgpAE" target="_blank">https://picasaweb.google.com/117851035855826465807/KlingonMonopoly?authkey=Gv1sRgCJSd-dThzIbgpAE</a>
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Another new word I noticed (has it been mentioned here before?) is {ngup'a'} "Dominion":<br>
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<font color="#1f497d"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></font>ngup'a' Duj Dajon.<br>
<font color="#1f497d"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></font> Commandeer Dominion vessel. MKE<br>
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Voragh<br>
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons<br>
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