<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">There have been a lot of confident pronouncements about how to interpret when you should use {bID} before or after a noun without much in the way of explanation citing any kind of canon or rule from Okrand.<div><br></div><div>We know that of whole numbers {cha' paH} would be "two gowns", while {paH cha'} would be "gown #2" (another way of saying "the second gown"). So, might {bID paH} refer to half of a gown while {paH bID} might refer to the gown's half? (As in gown #0.5)</div><div><br></div><div>That second one would be far-fetched, perhaps, but it would be more meaningful with plurals:</div><div><br></div><div>bID paHmey - Half of the gowns<br><div><br></div><div>paHmey bID - The half-gowns</div><div><br></div><div>I don't feel very solid here, and I don't quite understand why others seem to be more confident. I'm suspecting that Okrand is just sloppy in how he's used {bID} and he hasn't explained what it's supposed to mean, perhaps because he hasn't decided what it is supposed to mean.</div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Mar 21, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Robyn Stewart wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>At 11:23 '?????' 3/21/2012, De'vID jonpIn wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Voragh:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">> We have two new examples from "TalkNow! Klingon":<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">> yopwaH bID shorts (pants)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">> paH bID skirt<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Mini-skirt: {paHHom bID} or {paH bIDHom} (or neither)?<br></blockquote><br> paH bID tIqHa'. qIvDu' 'angbogh paH bID. Sa'Hut qatchu'be'bogh paH bID. nISbe'bogh paH bID vItuQlaHtaH Do qam DujwIj vIlIghtaHvIS.<br><br>- Qov <br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Tlhingan-hol mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org">Tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org</a><br>http://stodi.digitalkingdom.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>