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<br><div><div>On Mar 2, 2012, at 9:24 AM, David Trimboli wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 3/2/2012 6:24 AM, Felix Malmenbeck wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">I agree it may be a good mIw ru', but for long-term purposes, since<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">this is going to be a recurring concern, I still argue that the best<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">thing would be to try to develop a consensus on Klingon names for<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">these days, and once there is a consensus, to pass some sort of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">semi-official list. I realize canon is very important to many of us<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(including myself), but it just makes sense to me that the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Klingon-speaking community on Earth should decide how to refer to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">strictly Terran things (and I suspect Mar... I mean, I suspect<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">*Maltz* would agree).<br></blockquote><br>This is an old chestnut.<br><br>Who gave this list authority over the language? This list is not the entirety of Klingon-users. Do you think that, say, Krankor, who doesn't read this list, is going to give a fart what the few people who vote for Terran phrases on this list have announced is the way we'll all be referring to Terran things from now on? If the cabal of voters comes up with a phrase that I think is just plain wrong, am I required to accept it? No, sir, I do not accept the rulings of the privileged few.<br><br>Klingon isn't ours. Heck, it's not really even Okrand's: there is no law which states that someone interested in Klingon must accept all Okrandian sources and no others. There are people who don't read this list, who aren't members of the KLI (whatever that means anymore), who accept a completely different set of assumptions about what the Klingon language is.<br><br>As for your invocation of what Okrand would agree with, I don't think you're right. Okrand is less much invested in the idea of canon than we are. He's pleased he's created something that so many people enjoy, and he likes to expand it, but he has never, ever tried to assert any kind of claim of ownership over the language. This isn't just some legal position. He recognizes that many of us do consider him the sole source of facts about the language, and he sometimes seeks advice from some of us to maintain consistency with what he has done before (which we know much, much better than he does), but he would be just as pleased to talk to a group who have privately added their own words or grammar to the language. Are they enjoying themselves? If so, then great!<br><br>So, no list rulings on how to say things. You can express your opinions, you can tell people they're idiots for their opinions, but you can't compel anyone to follow your rules. If you want such power, start a new group and see if you can get people to join. Stranger things have happened.<br><br>-- <br>SuStel<br><a href="http://www.trimboli.name/">http://www.trimboli.name/</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Tlhingan-hol mailing list<br>Tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org<br>http://stodi.digitalkingdom.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>