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On 2/8/2012 6:30 PM, Brent Kesler wrote:
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cite="mid:CAFgJOr3RduU91SfUzeV+neRn=KEc9iJvL9++c-+_Lg13KAx1pQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:33 AM, David Trimboli <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:david@trimboli.name" target="_blank">david@trimboli.name</a>></span>
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I am more and more convinced that {-moH} indicates a change in
semantic roles, not syntactic roles, and that your above
conjecture is correct. The subject changes role from agent or
experiencer or whatever it is to cause. The object is NOT
affected by the semantic change, but is still syntactically
the thing to which the action as a whole is done.<br>
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<div>The problem with thematic relations and theta roles is that
they're subjective.... <br>
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HIp vItuQ jIH<br>
I wear a uniform (habitually or occasionally, not continuous
or perfective)<br>
HIp = theme<br>
jIH = experiencer<br>
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<div>Why is {jIH} the experiencer? Why not agent? I assume it's
an act of will to wear a uniform.</div>
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<div>I have to confess, I don't know what to make of {tuQmoH}.
It doesn't seem to fit the syntactic rule, but it doesn't fit
the proposed semantic rule either (in so far as that rule is
subjective). I think it's a victim of semantic drift, like
{lo'laH}.</div>
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<div>bI'reng.</div>
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How about this?<br>
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{HIp vItuQ} - I wear the uniform.<br>
{HIp vItuQ jIH} - *I* wear the uniform. (Not someone else.)<br>
{HIp vItuQmoH} - I dress (someone) in a uniform.<br>
{HIp vItuQeghmoH} - I dress myself in a uniform.<br>
{HIqraj qatuQmoH} - You dress me in your uniform. (Prefix trick.)<br>
{HIqwIj vItuQHa'moH} - I undress (from) my uniform.<br>
{puqloDwI'vaD DuSaQ HIqDaj vItuQHa'moH} - I undress my son from his
school uniform.<br>
{HIqvam mutuQmoH 'IpwI'} - My oath causes me to wear this uniform.
<== Note the difference, here!<br>
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~quljIb<br>
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