[Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: SuH

[mayql qunenoS]

ok, voragh and SuStel, thank you !

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 7:13 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu> wrote:
> mayql qunenoS wrote:
>>> thank you Ca'non master ! however this confused me :
>>>
>>>   not Hub'eghrupHa' lo'wI'
>>>   the user is never caught at a disadvantage. SP2
>>>
>>> I thought that {-Ha'} always occurs immediately after the verb, before
>>> any other suffixes.
>
> TKD 47f.:  It is interesting that {-Ha'} always occurs right after the verb. It is not known why Klingon grammarians insist on calling it a rover. It was felt best not to argue with Klingon tradition, however, so {-Ha'} is here classified as a rover.
>
>>> Why is it after the {-rup}?
>
> Technically {-Ha'} is a Rover and can go theoretically anywhere, although it almost always makes more sense to put it right after the verb.  E.g.
>
>   yISo'Ha'rup, yIghuS
>   "Stand by to de-cloak for firing". (ST5)
>
> If {-Ha'} *always* came after the verb that would make it a Type 1 (V1) suffix, which it isn't.  At least according to traditional Klingon grammarians.
>
> SuStel:
>> Until such time as Okrand says otherwise, just consider it an error.
>
> Perhaps not an error, more a subtlety:  {Hub} VERB + {-'egh} V1 + {-rup} V2 + {-Ha'} ROVER.  He was trying to translate "caught at a disadvantage" given him by the SkyBox people.
>
> I guess we've discovered why they insist on calling it a rover.  Perhaps {-Ha'} roved around more in an earlier stage of the language.  Or perhaps the ST5 example is a feature of Clipped Klingon, uttered in the excitement of battle.
>
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> Voragh
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> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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