[Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: Sang

[mayql qunenoS]

jIH :
> qaStaHvIS loS vatlh DIS poH reghobtaHvIS
voragh :
> Drop the second {-vIS}.  In fact, I don't think you need {-taH}
> either since you've already said it lasted for four centuries ("while
> four centuries were occurring")

yes you're right ! I read again the sentence and I realized that the
second {-vIS} and {-taH} are unnecessary.

> Here are some verbs for ending things you may not be aware of

All this info from HolQeD is truly invaluable ! I re-checked my
dictionary, and I found that indeed I had written there these verbs
(Dor, van, ghang, etc), but I hadn't written there too the specifics,
with regards to each one's respective application..

While I was writing the original sentence (and several times in the
past too..), I came across the need to express the "we ended the war".
I read carefully the information on the verbs of ending, and I noticed
that there is not a specific reference to "ending a war". From what I
read, I assume that the most appropriate verb, for this purpose seems
to be {van}.

Would you consider this to be correct assumption ?

..anyway, thank you Ca'non master for sharing all this information !

mayqel mIv Hurgh qunnoq
attack before we become slaves in their world


On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu> wrote:
> From: mayql qunenoS :
>> noH wItaHHa'pu'pa', qaStaHvIS loS vatlh DIS poH reghobtaHvIS ; reSangta'
>>  ngugh wIneHchugh vaj wIta'bejta'.
>> before we ended the war, we were fighting you for four centuries ; if we
>>  wanted to obliterate you then, we would have definitely accomplished it.
>
>   noH wIvanpu'pa', qaStaHvIS loS vatlh DIS poH reghob(taH)
>
> Drop the second {-vIS}.  In fact, I don't think you need {-taH} either since you've already said it lasted for four centuries ("while four centuries were occurring").  Here are some verbs for ending things you may not be aware of:
>
> Dor             end (v)
>
> (HQ 12.2:8):  Generally, one expresses the end of a stretch of time by using a verb rather than a noun. That is, one says "when the month ends" rather than "at the end of the month". The verb for this kind of end is {Dor}.
>
>   DorDI' jar mejpu'
>   At the end of the month, he/she left. (HQ 12.2:8)
>    (Literally, "When the month ended, he/she left.")
>
>   tugh Dor qoSlIj.  nom yIlop!
>   (MO's FaceBook text to Lieven, 3/29/12)
>
> van             end (an event) (v)
>
> (HQ 12.2:8-9):  When an event over which one has some control ends (one can't cause a month to end), a different verb is used: {van}. This would apply to such things as voyages, battles, plays, operas, stories, and songs. Here, the event (the voyage, the song) doesn't end; the participant in the event or the perpetrator of the event ends it. [...] Maltz said he wasn't sure whether {van} "end" and {van} "salute" were really the same word, but he found it interesting that Klingons end things by saluting them. [...] Note that the voyage and the song cannot end themselves. Someone has to end them. [...]
>   There is a difference between the end of the performance of a song or opera or play, indicated by making use of the verbs {van} and {ghang}, and the ending, or final portion, of a song or opera or play itself. For an opera, play, story, speech, and so on, the final portion is its {bertlham}. This word usually refers to the last aria or other musical portion in an opera, last speech in a play, last sentence or so of a story or an address [...] For a song-but only for a song-the final portion is its {'o'megh}. Parallel to {bertlham}, {'o'megh} is the final phrase or so of the song, one that brings the song to a definite conclusion. All songs have endings ({'o'meghmey}), some more elaborate or stirring than others.
>
>   leng [lu]vanDI' SuvwI'pu' 'IQ chaH
>   At the end of the voyage, the warriors are sad.
>   ("When the warriors end the voyage, they are sad").  (HQ 12.2; sic! {lu-} omitted)
>
>   bom [lu]vanDI' SuvwI'pu' tlhutlh chaH
>   At the end of the song, the warriors drink.
>   ("When the warriors end the song, they drink") (HQ 12.2; sic! {lu-} omitted)
>
> ghang   end (an event) prematurely (v)
>
> (HQ 12.2:8:  Another verb, {ghang}, is used to express the idea of a premature ending. If, using the same examples, the voyage is cut short or the song is interrupted before the final part is sung, one would say:
>   {leng [lu]ghangDI' SuvwI'pu' 'IQ chaH} [sic! {lu-} omitted]
>     "When the warriors end the voyage prematurely, they are sad." [sic! {lu-} omitted]
>   bom [lu]ghangDI' SuvwI'pu' tlhutlh chaH} [sic!]
>     "When the warriors end the song prematurely, they drink."
> Note that the voyage and the song cannot end themselves. Someone has to end them.
>
>   DIvI' rojmab qep ghanglu' 'e' nIDlu', 'ach taH qep.
>   Despite efforts to halt them, peace talks with Federation continue. MKE
>
>
> SEE ALSO:
> qIl             cancel (v)
> ta'             accomplish, do (v)
> tagh            begin a process, initiate, {start?) (v)
>
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>
> --
> Voragh
> tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a'
> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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