[Tlhingan-hol] A tribute to the dark lord

[mayql qunenoS]

> The text in the facing page doesn't discuss that?
I didn't look it up from the book.

> While the two things being compared have to be nouns
> there's no reason that they can't have context.
so, the question would be what qualifies as context..

On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Robyn Stewart <robyn at flyingstart.ca> wrote:
> The missing -taH is a grammatical irregularity. The text in the facing page doesn't discuss that?
>
> While the two things being compared have to be nouns, there's no reason that they can't have context. I wouldn't object to:
>
> telmeyDaq wovwI'mey qaq law' chorDaq wovwI'mey qaq puS
>
> but I imagine SuStel will, or maybe he'll make an exception because it's normal for there to be no verb in such sentences.
>
> I'm also fine with naH pe'meH 'aqnaw lI' law' nuv HoHmeH 'aqnaw lI' puS.
>
> - Qov
>
>> On Mar 19, 2016, at 3:58, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just as I was ready to move on, my sensors picked up the following
>> canon sentence :
>>
>> QamvIS Hegh qaq law' torvIS yIn qaq puS.
>>
>> I knew of the existence of this sentence for quite some time, but I
>> never actually concerned myself with it, because until now I used to
>> shy away from the use of the ..law' ..puS construction. However, in
>> light of our recent reference to this construction, I made the mistake
>> of trying to analyze this sentence, and I'm saying mistake, because
>> this analysis messed me up.
>>
>> First of all, I just noticed that in this phrase, the {-vIS} isn't
>> preceded by {-taH}. Can someone tell me why this is happening ? I
>> thought that in no case can one have the {-vIS}, without the {-taH}
>> preceding..
>>
>> Moving on.. I thought that apart from the simplest form of ..law'
>> ..puS, one could not combine this construction with anything else. I
>> thought that the only way one could use the klingon comparative
>> construction is A compared to B and that's it..
>>
>> But in this canon example, we don't just have death is preferable to
>> life ; we have instead, A while something is happening is this/that
>> compared to B while something else is happening. So, I will ask.. Is
>> there some additional grammar with regards to the ..law' ..puS
>> construction, I'm obviously missing ?
>>
>> mayqel mIv Hurgh qunnoq
>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 6:02 PM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> lojmIt tI'wI' nuv:
>>>> The Klingon comparative construction is very limited in its capacity to combine
>>>> with more complex grammar. Either use it to compare things in a simple comparison
>>>> sentence, or find some other way to say what you want.
>>>
>>> ok, thanks !
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 4:59 PM, lojmIttI'wI'nuv
>>> <lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> The Klingon comparative construction is very limited in its capacity to
>>>> combine with more complex grammar. Either use it to compare things in a
>>>> simple comparison sentence, or find some other way to say what you want.
>>>> Here are suggestions:
>>>>
>>>> vay’ ghung law’ SoH ghung. nuvvam DawIvchugh vaj …
>>>>
>>>> or
>>>>
>>>> ghungchu’wI’ yIwIv.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I probably would have taken on the entire project differently:
>>>>
>>>> wa’ ghojwI’ pup poQchu' Hoch pIn’a’.
>>>>
>>>> ghojchu’ta’DI’, tob’eghnIS ghojwI’vetlh. pIn’a’Daj Qaw’nIS.
>>>>
>>>> pIn DamojmeH pIn’a’lI’ DaQaw’ta’. pIn’a’ DamojmeH, ghojwI’ pup DaSuqnIS.
>>>>
>>>> Hegh Hoch yInwI’pu’. Qaw’lu’ Hoch pIn’a’pu’.
>>>>
>>>> ‘ach yIntaHvIS pIn’a’, Hoch ra’chu’. yInlI’ ratlhwI’pu’ ‘ej toy’nISlI'.
>>>>
>>>> I’m reminded of the scene from Sherlock when someone tells Moriarti that
>>>> people are dying, and he replies:
>>>>
>>>> “That’s what people DO!"
>>>>
>>>> pItlh
>>>> lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 6:49 AM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> while I was writing the sentences above, I wondered whether instead of this
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>> vay' ghung law' SoH ghung puS ; DawIvchugh vaj DuSopchu'bej
>>>> someone is hungrier than you ; if you choose him then whatever..
>>>>
>>>> I could write this :
>>>>
>>>> vay''e' ghungbogh law' SoH ghung puS DawIvchugh vaj DuSopchu'bej
>>>> if you choose someone who is hungrier than you, then whatever..
>>>>
>>>> mayqel mIv Hurgh qunnoq
>>>> quvbogh HoS'a' Hurgh. DaH qavan. reH qavan.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 10:57 AM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> darth Sidious wisely said..
>>>>
>>>> cho'wI' DawIvchugh vaj Ducho'bej..
>>>> vay' ghung law' SoH ghung puS ; DawIvchugh vaj DuSopchu'bej..
>>>> vay' nom law' SoH nom puS ; DawIvchugh vaj DublIjDaq 'etlh DajunlaHbe'bej..
>>>> vay' tuv law' SoH tuv puS ; DawIvchugh vaj HughlIjDaq 'etlh DabotlaHbe'bej..
>>>> vay' pIQHa' law' SoH pIQHa' puS ; DawIvchugh vaj DuHoHbogh 'etlh'e'
>>>> Da'uchbej..
>>>> vay' val law' SoH val puS ; DawIvchugh vaj SoHDaq DughoS QIHlIj not 'e'
>>>> Dalegh..
>>>>
>>>> 'a 'ut ghojwI' ;
>>>> pagh ghatlh, ghojwI' Hutlhbogh pIn'a''e'.
>>>>
>>>> if you choose a successor, he will definitely succeed you..
>>>> if you choose someone who is hungrier, he will definitely devour you..
>>>> if you choose someone who is faster, you will not avoid the blade at your
>>>> back..
>>>> if you choose someone who is more patient, you will not block the
>>>> blade at your throat..
>>>> if you choose someone who is more devious, you will hold the blade
>>>> that kills you..
>>>> if you choose someone who is more clever, you will never see your
>>>> destruction coming..
>>>>
>>>> however a student is essential ;
>>>> a master who lacks a student is a master of nothing.
>>>>
>>>> mayqel mIv Hurgh qunnoq
>>>> quvbogh HoS'a' Hurgh. DaH qavan. reH qavan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Tlhingan-hol mailing list
>>>> Tlhingan-hol at kli.org
>>>> http://mail.kli.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Tlhingan-hol mailing list
>>>> Tlhingan-hol at kli.org
>>>> http://mail.kli.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tlhingan-hol mailing list
>> Tlhingan-hol at kli.org
>> http://mail.kli.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol
>
> _______________________________________________
> Tlhingan-hol mailing list
> Tlhingan-hol at kli.org
> http://mail.kli.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol