[Tlhingan-hol] A tribute to the dark lord

[mayql qunenoS]

Just as I was ready to move on, my sensors picked up the following
canon sentence :

QamvIS Hegh qaq law' torvIS yIn qaq puS.

I knew of the existence of this sentence for quite some time, but I
never actually concerned myself with it, because until now I used to
shy away from the use of the ..law' ..puS construction. However, in
light of our recent reference to this construction, I made the mistake
of trying to analyze this sentence, and I'm saying mistake, because
this analysis messed me up.

First of all, I just noticed that in this phrase, the {-vIS} isn't
preceded by {-taH}. Can someone tell me why this is happening ? I
thought that in no case can one have the {-vIS}, without the {-taH}
preceding..

Moving on.. I thought that apart from the simplest form of ..law'
..puS, one could not combine this construction with anything else. I
thought that the only way one could use the klingon comparative
construction is A compared to B and that's it..

But in this canon example, we don't just have death is preferable to
life ; we have instead, A while something is happening is this/that
compared to B while something else is happening. So, I will ask.. Is
there some additional grammar with regards to the ..law' ..puS
construction, I'm obviously missing ?

mayqel mIv Hurgh qunnoq

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 6:02 PM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
> lojmIt tI'wI' nuv:
>> The Klingon comparative construction is very limited in its capacity to combine
>> with more complex grammar. Either use it to compare things in a simple comparison
>> sentence, or find some other way to say what you want.
>
> ok, thanks !
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 4:59 PM, lojmIttI'wI'nuv
> <lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The Klingon comparative construction is very limited in its capacity to
>> combine with more complex grammar. Either use it to compare things in a
>> simple comparison sentence, or find some other way to say what you want.
>> Here are suggestions:
>>
>> vay’ ghung law’ SoH ghung. nuvvam DawIvchugh vaj …
>>
>> or
>>
>> ghungchu’wI’ yIwIv.
>>
>> Actually, I probably would have taken on the entire project differently:
>>
>> wa’ ghojwI’ pup poQchu' Hoch pIn’a’.
>>
>> ghojchu’ta’DI’, tob’eghnIS ghojwI’vetlh. pIn’a’Daj Qaw’nIS.
>>
>> pIn DamojmeH pIn’a’lI’ DaQaw’ta’. pIn’a’ DamojmeH, ghojwI’ pup DaSuqnIS.
>>
>> Hegh Hoch yInwI’pu’. Qaw’lu’ Hoch pIn’a’pu’.
>>
>> ‘ach yIntaHvIS pIn’a’, Hoch ra’chu’. yInlI’ ratlhwI’pu’ ‘ej toy’nISlI'.
>>
>> I’m reminded of the scene from Sherlock when someone tells Moriarti that
>> people are dying, and he replies:
>>
>> “That’s what people DO!"
>>
>> pItlh
>> lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 6:49 AM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> while I was writing the sentences above, I wondered whether instead of this
>> :
>>
>> vay' ghung law' SoH ghung puS ; DawIvchugh vaj DuSopchu'bej
>> someone is hungrier than you ; if you choose him then whatever..
>>
>> I could write this :
>>
>> vay''e' ghungbogh law' SoH ghung puS DawIvchugh vaj DuSopchu'bej
>> if you choose someone who is hungrier than you, then whatever..
>>
>> mayqel mIv Hurgh qunnoq
>> quvbogh HoS'a' Hurgh. DaH qavan. reH qavan.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 10:57 AM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> darth Sidious wisely said..
>>
>> cho'wI' DawIvchugh vaj Ducho'bej..
>> vay' ghung law' SoH ghung puS ; DawIvchugh vaj DuSopchu'bej..
>> vay' nom law' SoH nom puS ; DawIvchugh vaj DublIjDaq 'etlh DajunlaHbe'bej..
>> vay' tuv law' SoH tuv puS ; DawIvchugh vaj HughlIjDaq 'etlh DabotlaHbe'bej..
>> vay' pIQHa' law' SoH pIQHa' puS ; DawIvchugh vaj DuHoHbogh 'etlh'e'
>> Da'uchbej..
>> vay' val law' SoH val puS ; DawIvchugh vaj SoHDaq DughoS QIHlIj not 'e'
>> Dalegh..
>>
>> 'a 'ut ghojwI' ;
>> pagh ghatlh, ghojwI' Hutlhbogh pIn'a''e'.
>>
>> if you choose a successor, he will definitely succeed you..
>> if you choose someone who is hungrier, he will definitely devour you..
>> if you choose someone who is faster, you will not avoid the blade at your
>> back..
>> if you choose someone who is more patient, you will not block the
>> blade at your throat..
>> if you choose someone who is more devious, you will hold the blade
>> that kills you..
>> if you choose someone who is more clever, you will never see your
>> destruction coming..
>>
>> however a student is essential ;
>> a master who lacks a student is a master of nothing.
>>
>> mayqel mIv Hurgh qunnoq
>> quvbogh HoS'a' Hurgh. DaH qavan. reH qavan.
>>
>>
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