[Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: ba'

[SuStel]

On 3/11/2016 1:40 PM, chransberry at gmail.com wrote:
> Thank you! I put {ghu} last, because it's the subject of {Qub}, but now
> I see that it's also the subject of ba', so yeah, it could go after that
> too.

Yes. {quSDaq ba'taHvIS ghu Qub ghu} "while the baby sits in the chair 
the baby thinks."

>
> Thanks for the input on the suffixes; I was thinking that the planned
> conquest would be an accomplished complete action, but I guess the time
> marker {jItInchoHDI'} makes it already a completed action at the time he
> becomes big, and the meaning of {-DI'} being "when, as soon as" makes
> the {-choH} redundant; is that correct?

The {-choH} on {tIn} is not redundant; I meant a hypothetical {-choH} on 
{chargh} would not be necessary.

{jItInchoHDI'} "when I become big" is what you mean. {jItInDI'} "when I 
am big" doesn't imply beginning to be big; if you were somehow big on 
Tuesdays and Saturdays you could use that phrase to refer to all of 
those times.

You might also consider the verb {nen} "be mature, grown-up, adult."

> -----Original message-----
>
>     *From: *SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name>*
>     To: *tlhingan-hol at kli.org*
>     Sent: *Fri, Mar 11, 2016 17:48:29 GMT+00:00*
>     Subject: *Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: ba'
>
>     On 3/10/2016 2:46 PM, chransberry at gmail.com wrote:
>      > quSDaq ba'taHvIS Qub ghu, "'Iw rur Sutra'ber naH vIychorgh.
>     jItInchoHDI'
>      > Hoch vIcharghta'!"
>      > Sitting in the chair, the baby thought, "Strawberry juice resembles
>      > blood. When I get big, I will conquer everything!"
>
>     I suggest removing the {-ta'} at the end. With it, it says "I will have
>     conquered everything," as if it will be completed at the time you
>     become
>     big. Presumably, when you become big you will begin your campaign. But
>     you're not really talking about BEGINNING the conquering; you're just
>     saying that you WILL conquer. Thus, no {-ta'} (and no {-choH}).
>
>     Otherwise, this works for me. I suggest reordering the beginning thus:
>     {quSDaq ba'taHvIS ghu Qub, ...} "while the baby was sitting on the
>     chair
>     it thought,..." I suggest this because once I've finished reading the
>     clause {quSDaq ba'taHvIS} I still have no idea who's sitting. The way
>     you wrote it isn't wrong, but I find it easier to parse each clause
>     separately and know who all the players are when I finish each.


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