[Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: nap

[mayql qunenoS]

SuStel Qov je, thank you for taking the time to reply. As always your
input is valuable and much appreciated.

jIH:
> napmo' 'oH chab rur.
> simple as pie.
SuStel :
> I doubt Klingons use this idiom.

yes indeed ; I thought that this is definitely the case while I was
writing this sentence, 'a I decided to write it, because I wanted to
practice the creation of similes (if this is how they call them). As I
woke up this morning it came to mind that I could have written too :
{nap ; chab rur}.

jIH:
> jaghmeyma' DItojmeH Dujmaj wIchoH 'ej Duj napqu' rur 'oH 'e' wIchav.
> in order to deceive our enemies we changed our ship and we achieved
> that it resembles a very simple vessel.
SuStel:
> jaghpu'ma'
> Try leaving off the plural suffix when you don't need it to make clear the number of the noun.
> You also need a perfective suffix on {wIchoH}.

This confuses me a litlle ; ok, yes the chosen plural suffix was
wrong, and I should have used the {-pu'}. However if I wrote {jaghma'
DItojmeH}, wouldn't that translate to <in order to deceive our enemy>
? Of course we have the {DI-} but still, I can't shake the *feel* that
there is an "incompatibilty" between a word which is supposed to refer
to a plural word which precedes it, only to eventually find a singular
word in its place instead. I don't know if I'm making sense..
And of course the perfective.. I always forget the perfective..

jIH:
> napchugh qay'pu'ghach vaj DabammeH lo'laHbe' 'oH
> if a problem is simple, then in order to face it, it is worthless.
SuStel:
> I don't understand this sentence as a whole.
> Try using {-ghach} a little less
Qov:
> I second SuStel's recommendation to drop excess explicit plurals
> and dial back on -ghach.
> http://klingonska.org/canon/1994-09-holqed-03-3-a.txt

this will sound strange, but I didn't quite understand my sentence
too. I went ahead though and wrote it, in order to force myself revise
the grammar..

As far as the {-ghach}ing is concerned, I agree. Now that I'm thinking
of it, the {-ghach}ing resembles a bowl of french fries. You say "I
will eat only one", only to say "okay just another one".. and then
"another one too", until you've eaten the whole bowl. It is as
addictive and tempting as Sauron's ring, so I will indeed try to detox
myself from it, only using it in times of dire need, as for instance
when birds of prey decloak and start attaking (as it frequently
happens in nasa related threads..). In such cases I will be
{-ghach}ing the ghe'tor out of every klingon word I could possibly
think of.
And Qov, thanks for the article, I will read it soon.

SuStel:
> SuvwI'vaD lo'laHbe' may' nap
> a simple battle is worthless to a warrior
> simple battles are worthless to warriors

This confuses me ; how is it possible for the {SuvwI'vaD lo'laHbe'
may' nap} phrase to be both singular and plural at the same time ?

mayqel mIv Hurgh qunnoq
cars with automatic transmission are an abomination

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 9:49 PM,  <qov at kli.org> wrote:
> If you're a more casual beginner than qunnoq HoD, and not inclined to
> force-feed yourself Klingon as dramatically as he has, you can still benefit
> from this practice.  Even if you make one sentence with one word per week,
> and even if that sentence is very short, you're still exercising the word
> and your grammar.
>
> Say you took today's word and made the sentence:
>
> nap mu'tlheghvam.
>
> In addition to practicing the word of the day, you'd be exercising your
> knowledge of correct word order, your knowledge of the word mu'tlhegh--or
> your ability to look it up--and your knowledge of the noun suffix -vam.  And
> you'd be introducing or reinforcing those things for people who lack the
> confidence to make up their own sentences. Yes, you must post the sentence,
> because otherwise you can't learn from the mistakes that you will inevitably
> make.
>
> So you're a total, total beginner and can't make a single sentence?
> If the word is a verb, put jI- on it. You get, "I <do the verb>. jInap = I
> am simple.
> If the word is a noun stick it after Daj. You get "<noun> is interesting."
> Daj Hol. = Language is interesting.
> If you get chuvmey you can almost always get away with putting it in front
> of the sentence you made last week.  Or wait until someone else posts a
> sentence and riff of it.  No, it's not cheating. Anything that gets you
> working in the language is a fair win.
>
> - Qov
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mayql qunenoS [mailto:mihkoun at gmail.com]
>> Sent: March 3, 2016 10:14
>> To: tlhingan-hol at kli.org
>> Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: nap
>>
>> Some time ago Qov, mentioned the idea of beginner sentences with the
>> word of the day. Naturally, I adopted the idea and from that day till now,
> I'm
>> writing sentences with the word of the day.
>>
>> Assessing the benefits of this practice, I realize - from my limited
> personal
>> experience - that when a beginner writes sentences with the word of the
>> day, he gains mainly two things :
>>
>> 1. He shoves down his throat klingon grammar on a daily basis.
>> 2. He shoves down his throat klingon vocabulary on a daily basis.
>>
>> The emphasis is on the "shoves down his throat". It is a practice which
> forces
>> you to revise and learn, either you like it or not.
>>
>> For these reasons this practice is indispensable.. I regret I hadn't been
> doing
>> this from the beginning, and if anyone asked me I would definitely
>> recommend it as the surest, fastest, and most effective way to learn.
>>
>> mayqel mIv Hurgh qunnoq
>> in that dark place where there was nothing of myself, I found my reman
>> brothers
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 7:48 PM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Qu'lIj DaquvmoH DaneHchugh reH nap 'oH.
>> > if you want to honor your duty, it is always simple.
>> >
>> > napmo' 'oH chab rur.
>> > simple as pie.
>> >
>> > ghojwI' QIp SoH ! napqu' yu'ta'ghachmey ! qatlh bIlujpu' ?
>> > you stupid student ! the questions were very easy ! why did you fail ?
>> >
>> > DujlIj nap vIQaw'meH tupmey vIpoQ neH.
>> > in order to destroy your simple ship, I only need minutes.
>> >
>> > jaghmeyma' DItojmeH Dujmaj wIchoH 'ej Duj napqu' rur 'oH 'e' wIchav.
>> > in order to deceive our enemies we changed our ship and we achieved
>> > that it resembles a very simple vessel.
>> >
>> > napchugh qay'pu'ghach vaj DabammeH lo'laHbe' 'oH if a problem is
>> > simple, then in order to face it, it is worthless.
>> >
>> > SuvwI'meyvaD lo'laHbe' may'mey nap.
>> > simple battles ar worthless for warriors.
>> >
>> > bo'Degh DaSurgh DaneHqu'chugh vaj napqu' 'oH.
>> > if you really want to skin a bird, then it is very simple.
>> >
>> > nap chaH pIj 'e' lururlaw' ghojwI'pu', 'ach tugh nImerlaHlaw'..
>> > often students may appear that they are simple, however soon they may
>> > be able to surprise you..
>> >
>> > mayqel mIv Hurgh qunnoq
>> > you will not experience shakespear
>> > unless you read the original klingon
>>
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