[Tlhingan-hol] KLBC: {-'e'} and {-bogh}

[mayql qunenoS]

ok, thanks ! I will take all these into consideration.

qunnoq

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 4:01 PM, lojmIt tI'wI' nuv
<lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com> wrote:
> From what I can find, it seems that the Greek letter gamma is pronounced somewhere between the Klingon {a} and {e}, and if anything, closer to the latter. In English, it's the difference between "father" and "feather". These are very distinct in either English or Klingon.
>
> There are similar pronunciation problems in dialectical English. I was very late to differentiate "pen" and "pin" because of my southern roots, much to the cruel delight of my wife from farther north, though she continues to insist that there is no problem with her indistinguishable "where" and "wear".
>
> Still, you will be much more easily understood if you make obvious distinction among Klingon vowels. The language has very little grammatical redundancy, so a lost syllable can be quite a loss of meaning, and since vocabulary is a challenge to so many of us, a lost word can make us stumble while parsing a sentence, leaving its pieces scattered in our minds like soldier corpses in a bomb crater.
>
> {ghach} starts with a growl back in the throat, close to a French "r" and then has the "ah" the doctor tells you to say while sticking a tongue depressor into your mouth. It ends with what is, in English, a "tch" sound, as in "hatch". It is the more harsh variation on the various ways that English speakers pronounce "ch".
>
> As for a "u" sound as in "flute", that is the Klingon {u}, and while Klingon vowels tend to be pure, compared to English, there is a bit of {u} implied in the end of {w}. If you don't linger on it, this likely won't be a problem. Just try to avoid adding {y} after every initial {ng}, like Qov did, based on her experience speaking Russian.
>
> She learned to fix {ng}. I learned to say "pen" and "pin". You can clean up your Klingon vowels.
>
> Sent from my iPad
> lojmIt tI'wI' nuv
>
>> On Jan 22, 2016, at 4:15 AM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Qov :
>>
>>> look forward to having the KLI mailing list well-indexed so that
>>> future generations of learners can follow your journey.
>>
>> Thank you very much Qov ! you honor me. I would have never started on
>> this journey, if it wasn't for your help and encouragement in the
>> first place. For this reason, I always wanted to progress in the use
>> of Klingon, so as to make you proud. And everyone else of course too,
>> who took the time to teach me all the those things I've learned here.
>>
>> lojmIt tI'wI' nuv :
>>
>>> Greek apparently doesn’t differentiate the vowel sounds of
>>> Klingon to as much of a degree that English does
>>
>> This is an interesting point. Actually, the greatest confusion in
>> pronounciation so far, has been the differentiation between {gh} and
>> {w}. No matter whether I see for instance {ghach} or {wov}, I tend to
>> pronounce both as the greek letter "γ" (gamma). The only thing that
>> differs, is that during the pronounciation of {wov} I would say "wuov"
>> (u as in flute). I don't know if this makes any sense..
>>
>> cpt qunnoq
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:04 PM, lojmIttI'wI'nuv
>> <lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> pItlh
>>> lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 21, 2016, at 2:01 PM, qov at kli.org wrote:
>>>
>>> I would like that too, however I doubt anyone would understand me. I bet
>>> my greek accent superimposed on Klingon, would really mess things up.
>>>
>>>
>>> It will be glorious.  It is excellent to all different  accents speaking
>>> Klingon, to show what mistakes we are making.  Do not be afraid to speak up
>>> and tell people that they have a German or American accent in Klingon. We
>>> all want Klingon accents, but we end up with American ones because of who
>>> the dominant speakers are. it is very important to have different first
>>> languages among our speakers.
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, we’ve already heard Klingon spoken at a sprinting pace with a
>>> Greek accent, and it was remarkably challenging for several reasons:
>>>
>>> 1. Nick Nicholas spoke fast. Very fast. Incredibly fast.
>>> HewassoexcitedtohavepeoplehecouldspeakKlingontothatallhiswordsrantogether.
>>>
>>> 2. We were expecting him to have an Australian accent, because he is from
>>> Australia, and he speaks English with an Australian accent, but apparently,
>>> his first language was Greek, and when he learned Klingon, he learned it
>>> with his native Greek speaking mind instead of his Australian speaking mind.
>>>
>>> 3. Greek apparently doesn’t differentiate the vowel sounds of Klingon to as
>>> much of a degree that English does, so some of his different vowels sounded
>>> the same to us, especially at his incredibly fast speaking pace. Likely,
>>> another Greek speaker could have told the difference, but there weren’t any
>>> among us.
>>>
>>> Nick Nicholas is the fellow who translated all the rhyming iambic pentameter
>>> sections of Hamlet (about 2/3 of the text) into Klingon… in rhyming iambic
>>> pentameter. He translated most of the Shakespeare sonnets into Klingon… in
>>> verse. And when he and I had an argument about his use of {-meH} in them, he
>>> decided that I was right, and went back and REWROTE MOST OF THEM. He didn’t
>>> rewrite the ones that didn’t use {-meH}.
>>>
>>> So, yes. I’ve heard Klingon spoken with a Greek accent. I still have
>>> nightmares… In them, I stand, weeping, trying to find words in my dictionary
>>> fast enough, but falling farther and farther behind… Like a hobo, standing
>>> beside a speeding train that passes too quickly for me to catch a ride.
>>>
>>>
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