[Tlhingan-hol] Interactions between verb suffixes

mayql qunenoS mihkoun at gmail.com
Thu Jan 7 10:36:31 PST 2016


ghItlhpu' De'vID :

> I'd go speak a syntactically unambiguous conlang
> like Lojban or something.

wIv QaQ jup.. lojban = luH'a' Hap
good choice friend.. lojban = (censored)

qunnoq

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 1:21 PM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin at gmail.com> wrote:
> lojmIt tI'wI' nuv:
>> Over time, I’ve come to realize that on this list, I’m nearly
>> unique in having interest in expressing things clearly in Klingon, rather
>> than the far more popular interest of stretching Klingon grammar to its
>> extremes to see when it will finally collapse.
>
> I don't doubt that you believe this, in the same way that people who
> insist that English sentences can't end in prepositions believe that
> they are making English more clear. What we have here is a divide
> between prescriptivists and descriptivists (pabmoHwI' DelwI' je?).
>
> Your interpretation that others are stretching Klingon is backwards
> from a descriptivist perspective. From that perspective, it's you who
> is trying to impose additional rules to restrict it from being as
> expressive (including being as ambiguous) as it actually is.
>
> Prescriptivism is an attempt to fix ambiguity using syntax when in
> most cases it's resolved by semantics. Well, sometimes that fails too,
> but that's not a bad thing. A lot of humour in language comes from
> ambiguity.
>
> I'm not trying to "stretch" Klingon grammar. I simply don't mind that
> it sometimes produces grammatically ambiguous sentences. I like that
> Klingon behaves like natural language in that way. If I cared about
> restricting a language so that it can only produce unambiguous
> sentences, I'd go speak a syntactically unambiguous conlang like
> Lojban or something.
>
> I also don't care if someone insists on speaking a dialect of English
> in which no sentence ends in a preposition. But I do care if someone
> goes around saying that people who don't speak English that way aren't
> speaking proper English, and insists to beginners trying to learn
> English that it must follow rules that it observably doesn't actually
> follow.
>
> --
> De'vID
>
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