[Tlhingan-hol] KLBC: "shut up or I'll hit you"

[lojmIttI'wI'nuv]

Saying that these suffixes are generally used as well isn’t quite as strong as saying that they are required. I could see a mother whispering instructions to her hiding child when danger is near, {yItamtaH}, which doesn’t fit your saying it’s wrong to tell someone to *be* in a state. You already like {yItamchoH}. There are probably other exceptions as well.

My own suspicion is that forgetting to use {-eghmoH} on an imperative with a stative verb is like forgetting to use “whom” instead of “who” in English. Yes, it’s better form to use {-‘eghmoH}, but people will probably understand you quite well if you get it wrong, and except for on this list, probably nobody would give you a hard time about it. Hence, canon that breaks the rule.

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> On Feb 25, 2016, at 9:30 AM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Qov:
>>> I thought of it, but the -choH seemed to mitigate the issue for me.  I
>>> suppose it's because yItamchoH is canonical.
>>> 
>>> Do you yourself think that yItamchoH should now be considered an error? I
>>> think yItamchoH and yItam'eghmoH both say to do something, while *{yItam}
>>> says to be something, and perhaps that doesn't sound like a command.
> 
> SuStel:
>> I think {yItamchoH} should be considered a possible exception to the rule,
>> which we know is occasionally broken. But I'm not prepared to take a stand
>> on it one way or another.
> 
> {yItamchoH} is in TKD and also in the Klingon CD (which makes it
> doubly canonical):
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUwSJai1cps
> 
> KGT says: "Generally, when a verb describing a state of being (for
> example, {tuj} "be hot") is used in the imperative form, the suffixes
> {-'egh} (reflexive suffix) and {-moH} ("cause") are used as well".
> 
> I don't think these are contradictory. It's wrong to command someone
> to *be* in a state. But {yItamchoH} is a command to *change* from a
> prior state to a new one.
> 
> -- 
> De'vID
> 
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