[Tlhingan-hol] Type 5 on first noun

[Robyn Stewart]

Definitely not a noun-noun construction. If the first noun in an N-N could carry a type-5 it would render much of our corpus unintelligible. The type five is like a marker in conversation that  the noun phrase is over.

 

DIp chang’eng ‘oH ‘e’ maqchugh vay’ vISuv.

 

- Qov

 

From: qurgh lungqIj [mailto:qurgh at wizage.net] 
Sent: February 5, 2016 16:19
To: SuStel
Cc: tlhIngan-Hol at kli.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Type 5 on first noun

 

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 5:01 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:


He could have said simply, {QamchIy 'uQ'a'} "the feast of Qam-Chee."

Later on he uses a title {SIqral bIQtIq ghom} "Assembly at the River Skral." Why didn't he say {SIqral bIQtIqDaq ghom}? That even works with {ghom} as a verb.

And then later is {SIqral bIQtIq may'} "The Battle at the River Skral," and not *{SIqral bIQtIqDaq may'}.

What do noun-noun constructions have to do with whether these are complete sentences? {nuH pegh} means "secret of the weapon" whether it's in a complete sentence or not. *{qamchIyDaq 'uQ'a'} is wrong, according to TKD, whether it's in a complete sentence or not.

 


It's wrong if it was a noun-noun construction, so it must not be a noun-noun construction. 

It must be just a location, followed by a noun. It's a title after all, so I don't think it's supposed to be a complete sentence. 

 

qamchIyDaq 'uQ'a' - "At Qam-Chee, the feast"

tanaghra'Daq Darmoq jalaD je - "At Tanagra, Darmok and Jalad"

 

tachDaq HIvje'mey - "At the bar, glasses"

To make these complete sentences, I need only add a verb:

 

qamchIyDaq 'uQ'a' vISop - At Qam-Chee, I ate a feast

tanaghra'Daq Darmoq jalaD je vIlegh - At Tanagra, I see Darmok and Jalad

tachDaq HIvje'mey vIQaw' - At the bar, I destroy the glasses

None of those phrases above have noun-noun constructions. Just because two nouns are near each other, it doesn't mean they are always part of a noun-noun construction. 

qurgh









 

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