[Tlhingan-hol] Interesting {je}

[SuStel]

> On Feb 5, 2016 00:51, "SuStel" <sustel at trimboli.name
> <mailto:sustel at trimboli.name>> wrote:
>
>     I just noticed an interesting line in paq'batlh:
>
>         QIStaqDaq cholonDI' jIyIn
>            DaH jIyIn je
>            SoHvaD jIchup
>
>         I am alive as I was
>            When you left me at Kri'stak,
>            I have an offer to make.
>
>     The use of {je} here isn't its usual function of a noun conjunction.
>     The things it seems to be conjoining are {QIStaqDaq cholonDI'} and
>     {DaH}, i.e., time contexts, neither of which are nouns.

On 2/4/2016 1:32 PM, André Müller wrote:
> The {je} here isn't used as a conjunction, but as an adverb following
> the verb. In that usage it means "and".
>
> Literally the sentences mean:
> "When you abandoned me at Kri'stak, I was alive.
> I am also alive now.
> I suggest to you."

But it's not an adverbial. As has been recently pointed out to me, it's 
described in TKD only as a noun conjunction. We're given the example 
{qaleghpu' je}, and we're told that it means either "I and others saw 
you" or "I saw you and others." It is not said to mean "In addition to 
the other thing I did, I saw you."

In other words, it's conjoining the nouns or pronouns of this sentence 
with some of those of a previous sentence using the same or a similar 
verb. For example,

    qeylIS legh molor
    Molor sees Kahless

    moratlh legh je
    He sees Morath as well as Kahless

    qeylIS legh je luqara'
    Lukara, as well as Molor, see Kahless

TKD is not clear whether {je} would go after the {legh} or the {luqara'} 
here, or whether you can even have an explicit subject when using {je} 
in this way.

 > There are lots of examples of such usage in canon.

Such as? I haven't been able to find any that aren't of the sort 
described in TKD.

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