[Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: Ha'on

[mayql qunenoS]

ghIq nov legh qunnoq HoD yoH 'ej jatlh :
vum lam SoH ! jIHvaD nImwIj Datatlh pagh Ha'onmeylIj lo'laH vInge' 'ej
nujlIjvo' burghDu'lIjDaq vIyuv !

then, the brave captain qunnoq saw the alien and told him :
you dirty scum ! return to me my milk, or I will take away your
valuable staples, and I will shove them from your mouth to your
stomachs !

qunnoq

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 12:12 PM, mayql qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
> ghunchu'wI :
>
>>It actually goes before the "object-verb-subject" part of a clause.
>> Other things can come before the complete clause. In this case, it is
>> properly V-meH [N-Daq O V S].
>
> Ca'non master :
>
>> ..place stamps should go at the beginning of their clause, which
>> is not necessarily the beginning of the sentence.
>
> Thank you both for clarifying this !
>
> Ca'non master :
>
>> (There are one or two subtle variations, but you shouldn't
>> confuse yourself with those now.)
>
> Now I'm curious.. Could you at least share an example of these variations ?
>
> I'll check out the Klingon curses too ; thanks for the links !
>
> qunnoq
>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 10:01 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu> wrote:
>> Voragh:
>>>> muvoQmeH, nImDaq Ha'onmey woD verengan Ha'DIbaH puqloDvetlh.
>>>> muvoQmeH verengan Ha'DIbaH puqloDvetlh, nImDaq Ha'onmey woD.
>>>> verengan Ha'DIbaH puqloDvetlh'e', muvoQmeH nImDaq Ha'onmey woD!
>>>> verengan Ha'DIbaH puqloDvetlh'e', nImDaq Ha'onmey woD muvoQmeH!
>>
>> qunnoq:
>>> The {nImDaq} is a noun with a type 5 suffix.  Shouldn't this always come
>>> in the beginning of the sentence? I didn't actually *want* to place it at
>>> the beginning, but eventually (and reluctantly) I did, because I thought
>>> that this is were it always had to go. So,the question now is "when can I
>>> place a noun with type 5 noun suffix anywhere else except at the beginning
>>> of the sentence?"
>>
>> Short answer:  Adverbials, time stamps and place stamps should go at the beginning of their clause, which is not necessarily the beginning of the sentence.  (There are one or two subtle variations, but you shouldn't confuse yourself with those now.)
>>
>>>> I'm not sure {Ha'DIbaH puqloDvetlh} "that son of an animal"
>>>> is sufficiently strong in Klingon
>>>
>>> This brings up another wonderful subject, the subject of "how to curse in
>>> Klingon".. I have to say that I'm completely ignorant on the subject, so I
>>> always resort to some kind of "terran insults adaptation to Klingon". If
>>> you could please post any canon curses, (other than the usual ones) I
>>> would be grateful!
>>
>> Many, many years ago - IIRC late 1990/s? - I wrote an article for Joel Andersen's {qIb HeHDaq} newsletter which, unbeknownst to me, he put online.  See "Voragh's Notes on Klingon Cursing" at the qIb HeHDaq website which is now offline though the entire site is archived at http://www.reocities.com/athens/8853/).  If you can't find it, google the title; several people re-posted it on their fan sites.  Keep in mind that these are very rough, speculative notes which have NOT been kept up-to-date but they should give you a place to start.
>>
>> Checking my notes I see that Joel also posted a podcast interview with me at http://xenolang.blogspot.com/2005/12/few-words-with-canon-master.html (transcription at http://www.tc.umn.edu/%7Ejoela/mrk/canonmaster.html) for those interested.
>>
>>
>> pe'vIl mu'qaDmey tIbach! (Curse well!)
>>
>>
>> --
>> Voragh
>> tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a'
>> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
>>
>>
>>
>>
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