[Tlhingan-hol] KLBC: verb-verb SAO

[John R. Harness]

You're right, thanks for catching it. I even looked up gerund v. participle
to make sure I remembered the distinction correctly, but then wrote an
incorrect and misleading example.

Say it with me, jatlhwI'pu'!:

HIvqa' veqlargh!


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On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 4:00 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:

> On 2/1/2016 4:54 PM, John R. Harness wrote:
>
>> I think I am missing a few emails for some reason, to get from qunnoq's
>> question to Qov's response.
>>
>> What I think Qov is pointing out is the use of -choH to solve qunnoq's
>> question. For what it's worth, the sentence {taghwI' pabpo' vIghel 'e'
>> vImevlaHbe'} seems like a reasonable sentence in that it is grammatical
>> and gets the point across. But using -choH to signal the change in the
>> verb is more concise (always good for Klingon) and is a fuller
>> engagement with the grammar. (I sort of want to say that it is "*more*
>> grammatical.") We've got all those suffixes, why not use them to the
>> fullest!
>>
>> I don't want to digress too far into the murky waters of English
>> grammar; but,  I will point out regarding qunnoq's original question
>> that this is a good example of an area where Klingon and English behave
>> differently. Phrases like "I like eating" are made with gerunds -- "eat"
>> has been turned into a noun with the -ing ending. Klingon has something
>> like this, the seldomly seen -ghach ending. But we don't go throwing
>> -ghach around just anywhere. Instead, Klingon requires two
>> verbs-that-are-still-acting-like verbs and 'e'. EXCEPT, of course, as
>> Qov points out, when we have other suffixes that cover the intended
>> meaning.
>>
>
> This isn't correct. "Eating" in "I am eating" is a (present) participle,
> not a gerund. A gerund would be the "eating" in "Eating is fun." A gerund
> functions a noun; a participle augments a verb.
>
> Klingon {-ghach} is similar to a gerund in that it makes a word function
> as a noun.
>
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