[Tlhingan-hol] How would you feel about new Klingon morphemes? [was: New expression: Klingon for "dim sum" revealed‏]

[mayqel qunenoS]

lojmIt tI'wI' nuv,

It is not so much, your rude and arrogant reply, which forces me to
answer. I can understand that this is the way you choose to write, so
I don't care nor do I lose any sleep over it.

However I see, that despite the over two decades of experience you
have in klingon, and despite your impressive grammar skills, you fail
to realize some simple facts. I will help you understand these facts.

lojmIt tI'wI' nuv:
> Why don't you start from scratch, like Okrand did, and see if you can come
> up with a language that is half as versatile, expressive, and interesting as Klingon.
> I dare you.
> and then try to find a group of people willing to learn how to speak it.

First of all, I'm a surgeon not a linguist so its not my job to create
languages. And because of my profession I believe, that noone is above
judgement and criticism. Everyone must be able to justify his choices
and most importantly back them up.

You have gotten things all wrong here. You really believe that people
are learning klingon because of its versatile grammar ? Seriously ?
You think that people are learning klingon because it is "versatile,
expressive, and interesting" ? Of course it is those things, I agree
with you. But you really think that this is the reason ?

People are interested in klingon because of star trek, and the way
that klingons are depicted there. If klingon had nothing to do with
star trek whatsoever, how many do you think would actually be
interested ? Or if klingon wasn't the language of a "warrior race",
but the language of a species as the romulans or the ferengi, then
again how many would be interested ?

Maybe you don't agree, and you have every right to have your own
opinion.. But for everyone else who is actually interested in facts,
here is the proof :

http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/EmailDiscussionForum

How many have been really convinced to learn klingon ? You, me and how
many others exactly ? How many fluent speakers are out there ? ok,
scratch that.. how many speakers are out there ? oops ! sorry !
scratch that too.. How many people are out there who even know the
basic grammar ?

But again, I'm making difficult questions, so I'll ask something easy.
After all because I'm lazy, I like easy questions right ?

How many members has this list ? the list of KLI ? It has the
astronomic number of 230 + 70 members approximately ! Oh, the
multitude ! Oh the legions ! And how many new people keep coming here
? How many beginners flood this list ?

So many that Qov has written on numerous occasions that she would wish
for way more people who would be interested in actually learning, and
-here is my favorite-, so many that before QISta', Karen and me, (a
few months before today that is), there was no Beginner's Grammarian !

..and for how long did you not have a BG ?

http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/BeginnersGrammarian

For eight years no BG ! noone ! none ! oh of the interest in klingon !
And now that we have a BG, how many questions exactly are addressed to
him a week ? a month ?

So, don't tell me how many people have been actually convinced of
learning klingon. Aside from some scenes in Big Bang Theory, NCIS and
people writing a word or two on youtube comments, the interest in
klingon is virtually non-existent. that is the sad truth. The only
true measure of any actual interest in a language, is the number of
people putting the effort to actually learn it.

And the even saddest truth is, that when people insult beginners the
way you do, soon the "virtually non-existent" will become
"non-existent". If you care about klingon, then you don't assault
those who learn, merely because they performed the crime of requesting
more. You help them overcome their obvious difficulty, unless of
course you're performing some kind of triage "who is worthy of
learning and who's not".

do whatever you like. fortunately for klingon you're the minority.

qunnoq HoD

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 10:38 PM, lojmIttI'wI'nuv
<lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com> wrote:
> ‘ej not bI<be obnoxiously condescending> net Sov...
>
> pItlh
> lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
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>
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> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:51 AM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
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> On 4/28/2016 8:12 AM, lojmIt tI'wI' nuv wrote:
>
> The Klingon language is a masterpiece. Stop trying to add your little piece
> of graffiti to it.
>
>
> qunnoq Dara' 'e' yImev. HollIj Dun'qu' ghIHmoHbe'. batlh ghel 'ej batlh bup.
> vItbej.
>
>
> tlhIngan Hol jatlhlu'taHvIS, chay' obnoxious condescension mughlu'? chaq
> obnoxiously condescendbe' tlhInganpu'...
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