[Tlhingan-hol] splitting -taHvIS

[Will Martin]

TKD says that {-vIS} always requires {-taH-}. It doesn’t say that nothing can come between them. I don’t see {-taHQo’vIS} or {-taHneSvIS} as awkward. Rare, yes, but not awkward. For that matter, I could see {-taHneSQo’vIS}.

If the given example, for instance, was part of an apologetic explanation to someone a remarkable number of ranks above you, that you would not normally dare to address, but for unusual necessity:

vumtaHneSQo’vIS vutwI’ ghung Soj je’wI’pu’, qaH.

Remember that {-neS} simply means that you are saying this to someone you wish to show the honor you feel for them while speaking. It is aimed at the person you are addressing. It’s got nothing to do with the actual subject or object or meaning of the verb.

Another way of describing positions of the two non-roving rovers is that {-Ha’} is pre-Type 1, while {-Qo’} is post Type 8 (or pre-type 9).

Anyway, congratulations on pointing something out that most of us might never have imagined.

pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv



> On Sep 21, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu> wrote:
> 
> I could find no examples of {-taHvIS} - or even {-taH} for that matter - used with {-Qo’} on the same verb.  AFAIK there are three examples where the suffixes are deployed on different verbs in the phrase/sentence/utterance:
>  
> 'ang'eghQo' quv Hutlhbogh jagh neH ghobtaHvIS ghaH
> Only an enemy without honor refuses to show himself in battle. (TKW)
> 
> qaStaHvIS wanI’vam yIDachQo’
> Don't miss this event! (WSC)
> 
> mamevQo'.  maSuvtaH.  ma'ov.
> Battling on through the Eternal fight. (Anthem)
> 
> --
> Voragh
> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
>  
>  
> From: Fiat Knox [mailto:fiat_knox at yahoo.co.uk <mailto:fiat_knox at yahoo.co.uk>] 
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 12:10 PM
> 
> Has any instance cropped up where you said "while X was refusing to Y" and had to insert -Qo' between -taH and -vIS?
>  
> It just occurred to me that -Qo' can be used in a non-imperative, meaning refuse, and that -Qo' comes after all suffixes except a Type 9 - so -Qo' should come between -taH and -vIS. Other than -neS, it would be the only suffix technically capable of splitting these two suffixes.
>  
> While *vumtaHQo'vIS vutwI' ghung Soj je'wI'pu' as long as the cook refused to work, customers went hungry might technically be possible, does it sound awkward - or only as awkward as "To Boldly Go Where No-One Has Gone Before" does to an English grammarian with a loathing of split infinitives and dangling prepositions?
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