[Tlhingan-hol] Things missing

Thu Oct 29 14:46:38 PDT 2015

This is not a good sign.

You were apparently expecting to be insulted, and so you were, and you are doing everything possible to amplify your victim status.

Not impressive.

I’m merely telling you that when you hit the ground running on with advice on what the rest of us should be doing when you, yourself, have very little experience here, you are not participating like a normal community member. Instead, you are pushy.

You don’t have to do that. You have lots of other options.

Chill.

I’m not trying to insult you. I’m trying to inform you that you are coming on really strong, as others have in the past, and the record for people coming on like this is not good. Maybe you’ll be The Exception.

But probably not.

The bones of others who have come on like this are scattered through the archives.

Ease up and just learn the language first. Earn your stripes. Make your contributions. Respect others. Don’t start out claiming a higher level of authority than the entire body of the community, pushing us toward your version of perfection.

Or fight stupid battles for no one’s benefit.

Your choice…

… though it seems like you’ve already made up your mind...

pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv

> On Oct 29, 2015, at 12:55 PM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > It’s a little disrespectful of all that support to express excessive demands that you apparently believe are owed to you because you are so gracious as to invest your valuable time and skill toward learning it.
> 
> you know,as english in not my native language i always make sure that after i write an email,i read it again so as to make sure that i have not made any mistakes. Surely some typographic errors almost always are missed,but i believe that i would see whether i wrote something "disrespectful". You suggest that i'm arrogant,determined to be "the big boss". Seriously ? After all i wrote this is your conclusion ? What i wrote is my opinion about what is missing from the Klingon language,for it to be made complete. It was my opinion,and i believe mailing lists/forums etc. exist for the exchange of ideas,between people who have similar interests.
> 
> 
> > Don’t disrespect that opportunity by demanding that all politics within the group change to accommodate your new idea of how things ought to be done.
> 
> apparently you believe that you own Klingon language,and that you have the authority to pass judgement on anyone who would say that there are things missing ; that anyone new who refuses to "shut up" and say how wonderful everything is must be characterized in the worst way,and be black-listed.
> 
> 
> >  Are you prepared to spend money to get the Klingon language fixed? Or are you just expecting a bunch of volunteers to do this for you?
> 
> did i write that money should be spent ? did i write that i do not recognize that there are practical problems ? I wrote what would be nice to exist/happen. I believe that from my first post i wrote how i realize that there are copyright issues,which i understand and respect. 
> 
> 
> > Maybe you’d rather work with some easier language.
> 
> Since you know nothing of me,do not insult me by saying that i cannot cope with the demands of a difficult language. Or by implying that i'm lazy. You do not know the exams i have passed in my life,you do not know how hard i've worked or under which circumstances i have studied thousands of hours to meet the demands of my profession. Pass judgement on those who you know in person.
> 
> ..you answered the "who's to decide" by saying Okrand. I believe i already said that too. Which part of "for copyright reasons" didn't you understand ?
> 
> 
> > Those who come into the group like gangsters, determined to be the big boss who tells us what we are doing wrong and how we need to do things from now on. They generally cause disruption, make the mailing list unpleasant enough that a lot of people unsubscribe, and they might last a year before leaving in a huff, never to be heard from again.
> 
> ok,since you've got me all figured out,all because i "committed the crime" of sharing some of my thoughts,i would like to write about the three types of old members one finds in mailing lists/forums etc..
> 
> 1. members who no longer participate frequently in discussions,because they are tired after many years of participation. they feel that they have nothing more to discuss,and are just bored to keep on writing about the same things again and again.
> 2. members who are willing to share their experience/seniority with new members,all in the spirit of healthy exchange of ideas/thoughts
> 3. bullies. in the high school sense of the bully.. those who think that their seniority gives them the right to push around any new member,who so happens to write anything that doesn't inflate even more,their already inflated ego. Those who demand that anyone new,will be awed by their knowledge and that whenever he disagrees he must be reminded that "he will not make it around here" and that he better leave while he still has time.
> 
> how pathetic..
> 
> qunnoQ HoD
> 
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> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Tim Stoffel <tim at lionlamb.us <mailto:tim at lionlamb.us>> wrote:
> I'm not saying we should impose such a mechanism. We just need to think
> about the future, that's all.
> 
> Tim Stoffel
> 
> --
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name <mailto:sustel at trimboli.name>>
> To: tlhingan-hol at kli.org <mailto:tlhingan-hol at kli.org>
> Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Things missing
> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:27:10 -0400
> 
> On 10/29/2015 2:16 AM, Tim Stoffel wrote:
> > Considering what the Klingon language community has accomplished over
> > the years, it would be a shame to think that the end of Marc Okrand
> > (which I hope is no time soon!) could be the end of the Klingon
> > language.
> >
> > We need a mechanism to keep the language alive.
> 
> Such a mechanism can be dreamed up at such time as Okrand leaves us or
> decides not to do Klingon anymore. Why try to impose it now? The
> language won't suddenly evaporate when he's gone.
> 
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