[Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country Klingon Dialogue

Fri Oct 9 13:09:15 PDT 2015

i would not like to insult you ; so lets begin again this conversation from
a more interesting starting point..

HaqwI' jIH

qunnoQ

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Robyn Stewart <robyn at flyingstart.ca> wrote:

> maj. (well done)
>
> The “you” equivalent of jIH is SoH. SoH means “you” or “you are” just the
> way jIH means “I” or “I am”.
>
> So to continue our conversation, I could agree with you, and say “Human
> SoH.”
>
> But stating the obvious to make idle conversation would not be a very
> Klingon thing to do.  Instead I’ll insult you and say Ha’DIbaH SoH, which
> means “You are a cur,” and would be quite Klingon.  Insult me back, and
> then we’ll progress to another conversational tactic.
>
> (Other spectators who think they are light years from Klingon conversation
> are welcome to join in).
>
>
>
> - Qov
>
>
>
> *From:* HoD qunnoQ [mailto:mihkoun at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* October 9, 2015 11:20
>
> *To:* Robyn Stewart
> *Cc:* tlhIngan Hol mailing list
> *Subject:* Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country
> Klingon Dialogue
>
>
>
> Human jIH
>
> (I picked an easy one..)
>
> qunnoQ
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Robyn Stewart <robyn at flyingstart.ca>
> wrote:
>
> Not really.  You’re within wa’ netlh qelI’qam (~20,000 km) of every
> Klingon speaker there is, and thanks to the internet you can communicate
> with all of us within microseconds. It takes very little Klingon to have a
> conversation, and once you have that first conversation, you will have
> established a beachhead from which to conquer the language.
>
>
>
> Here’s the first thing I taught the beginners at qep’a’: how to say “I am
> a ____”.  It is “____ jIH.”
>
> jIH  is a member of the chuvmey class of words. It acts as the prounoun
> “I” and also means “I am.”
>
> tlhIngan jIH = I am a Klingon
> ‘orwI’ jIH = I am a pilot
>
> tera’ngan jIH = I am an Earther
>
> Look up a word (has to be a noun) that you are, and tell me you are that.
>
> Instead of looking at the Klingon language as a massive challenge you have
> to be someone special to meet, or psyche yourself up to begin, just learn
> one thing at a time until qaSta’! You have learned it.
>
>
>
> - Qov
>
> *From:* HoD qunnoQ [mailto:mihkoun at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* October 9, 2015 4:43
> *To:* Robyn Stewart
> *Cc:* tlhIngan Hol mailing list
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country
> Klingon Dialogue
>
>
>
> >Regardless, I will be delighted to converse with you in
> intelligibly-spoken Klingon, no matter what your spit range might be.
>
> I would be delighted too,but unfortunately i'm light years away from being
> able to actually converse with someone in Klingon..
>
> qunnoQ
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:16 AM, Robyn Stewart <robyn at flyingstart.ca>
> wrote:
>
> Different languages _*are*_ spoken in different ways. Klingon does have
> to be spoken somewhat forcefully to distinguish between some of the raspy
> consonants. The rhythm of Italian helps to distinguish between doubled and
> single consonants.  Russian declarative sentences are said with a kind of
> monotone, falling off at the end.  If I were to speak Russian fluently and
> with the peppy little rises and falls of my native language, it wouldn’t
> sound right.  I’m still weirded out by the instruction that it is incorrect
> to speak Cree with emotion in my voice, that the old western stereotype of
> the Indian guide saying “all my family die” in the same flat tone as “soon
> will rain” is based in truth. I had a Korean student who knew English quite
> well, with reasonable pronunciation but was really hard to understand
> because he used the rhythm of his own language. When I tried to get him to
> put longer pauses in so an examiner could understand, he protested that he
> didn’t want to sound stupid.  This was before YouTube, so I had to get him
> to take my word for it that great speeches in English show that its skilled
> speakers SLOW DOWN to sound smart.
>
> Speaking Klingon with the fluent rhythm of English is probably as wrong as
> speaking it with the rhythm of Italian or Japanese. The ‘native’ Klingon
> speakers we hear tend to speak in a staccato manner, yet Azetbur manages to
> do it without overly chewing the scenery. Perhaps it’s because of her
> gender, or is an affectation. Regardless, I will be delighted to converse
> with you in intelligibly-spoken Klingon, no matter what your spit range
> might be.
>
>
>
> - Qov
>
>
>
> *From:* HoD qunnoQ [mailto:mihkoun at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* October 8, 2015 13:06
> *To:* Lieven
> *Cc:* tlhingan-hol at stodi.digitalkingdom.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country
> Klingon Dialogue
>
>
>
> indeed.. if i ever managed to become proficient in Klingon,so as to speak
> it like i speak my native language,then this is the way i would like to
> speak it ; mildly and relaxed. i don't know why,but this manner of speaking
> appeals to me as more instinctive and natural.
>
> qunnoQ
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Lieven <levinius at gmx.de> wrote:
>
> Am 08.10.2015 um 17:54 schrieb HoD qunnoQ:
>
> nuqneH
>
> i made this observation...
>
>
> That's a very good observation, and it's more important than what most
> people would believe it to be.
>
> Indeed, I guess it's simply the actor who speaks a bit differently than
> others. Perhabs it was even done intentional, because Azetbur was sad?
> Maybe it's because she's a woman. I don't know, compare to Valkris or
> Uhura (although she's not klingon, so maybe she doesn't count)
>
> Anyhow, I love showing this scene to my students because it makes clear
> that one can speak klingon in a very natural way, as opposed to what many
> people believe is that you need to shout and bark klingon all the time.
>
> Klingon can be spoken like a natural language, and Azetbur has proven this
> quite well in that scene.
>
>
> --
> Lieven L. Litaer
> aka Quvar valer 'utlh
> Grammarian of the KLI
> http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher
> http://www.klingonwiki.net
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